I have challenged other masters Brian and Chuck to determine what method hitting or swinging I should use. I am average built and flexible but not really strong. The kicker is my trail leg was amputed above the knee and that has a impact on my pivot capabilities . I naturally pivot around the real leg because that is what naturally my body prefers to do but if I don't get those shoulders back I will reverse pivot and instead of falling back I fall forward and ball flight is to the right or worse.
Does your crystal ball have the answer. Hit, swing or what I don,t think is covered sufficiently hack.
My goal is to hit the ball longer. Unless I fiddle around I can hit straight except for the possible push. The pressure of relying on a short game hole to hole to bail me out can wear me down.
Davel - I know this may sound a bit too basic, but it is none the less critical.
Find your Balance. Find the 'center' of your circle, and a line from it, to your hands.
From the top, draw a straight line, on and down the plane, to a spot in front of the ball (aiming point).
Send the force you generate, from the ground, through the body in a whip like fashion.
Skip a stone and hit an inside out cut shot, feeling the right elbow lead the entire right forearm supporting a heavy, slow, smooth, impact with the mass of your body supporting the line of compression. The nail through the ball.
Understand PP#1 and its 'orbit' around your center of balance. Keep PP#1 either 'on' or 'inside' the maximum circle of the path of PP#1.
Learn clubHEAD control
Learn the flying wedges - 90 degree support of impact - driving downplane force to both arms straight, in balance
properly 'centered' and 'balanced' the motion is completely smoooooth and 'heavy'.
Feeling the pressure points in your hands move 'down the chain' from PP#1, lead by PP#2 and supported from directly behind by PP#3.
The plane of the pressure points and center is important.
Imagine your hands are a universal joint.
Find the 90 and the 180.
Send force to both arms straight through the presssure points, in sequence
Thanks Homer....
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What you say is really not that basic. I am trying to learn the tgm lingo to help me understand many of the things you say. And what you say may or may not apply to just hitting or just swinging. But I could save myself sometime if I knew which method to select to know what my backswing procedure and downswing procedure would be needed for the desired action. It maybe I have to learn both to find out and that could take sometime and may confuse me. I am 61 years old so I don't have years to develop a ideal swing. I do know however that time and hard work will be necessary to get to make the necessary improvements. If selecting ahea of timme swing versus hit shortens the time I would like that advice. Thanks for replying
Dave
Originally Posted by EdZ
Davel - I know this may sound a bit too basic, but it is none the less critical.
Find your Balance. Find the 'center' of your circle, and a line from it, to your hands.
From the top, draw a straight line, on and down the plane, to a spot in front of the ball (aiming point).
Send the force you generate, from the ground, through the body in a whip like fashion.
Skip a stone and hit an inside out cut shot, feeling the right elbow lead the entire right forearm supporting a heavy, slow, smooth, impact with the mass of your body supporting the line of compression. The nail through the ball.
Understand PP#1 and its 'orbit' around your center of balance. Keep PP#1 either 'on' or 'inside' the maximum circle of the path of PP#1.
Learn clubHEAD control
Learn the flying wedges - 90 degree support of impact - driving downplane force to both arms straight, in balance
properly 'centered' and 'balanced' the motion is completely smoooooth and 'heavy'.
Feeling the pressure points in your hands move 'down the chain' from PP#1, lead by PP#2 and supported from directly behind by PP#3.
The plane of the pressure points and center is important.
Imagine your hands are a universal joint.
Find the 90 and the 180.
Send force to both arms straight through the presssure points, in sequence
I have limited experience in hitting and more years of swinging. I have proven to myself that I'm structured better for hitting and it shows in my game.
Having some familiarity with both and imagining a similar handicap, I think that 3 barrel hitting might be a good option. Swinging has a bit more hip and leg action in my experience as the drag is more "ground up". Hitting is more of a "bracing" procedure in that the right side is used to brace against the thrusting right arm, even though the left side carries most of the momentum.
I mention 3 barrel vs. 4 barrel because the start down for 4 barrel is a swingers start down. In hitting it's an initial hard cross line (vs. plane line) hip thrust (action) off the right side that takes up slack in the arms and starts the right shoulder downplane via PP #4. That is probably too much from a balance perspective to manage until you are comfortable with the movement. Not impossible, just challenging.
A 3 barrel hit avoids the violent start down but doesn't compromise the violent push down onto the ball. You will still need to have right side balance, but you don't have to rely on the quads and hamstrings as a power source. Once the body is in balance as Ed mentions above, you can push the primary lever as hard as you can manage while staying in balance.
Swinging in my opinion, is too much total dragging/turning effort from the right side to the left. Not being biased here. Just imagining your situation in my own swing.
I highly admire that you are not only golfing well, but have also found the best source of golf instruction available. Congrats!
Swinging has a bit more hip and leg action...as the drag is more "ground up". Hitting is more of a "bracing" procedure in that the right side is used to brace against the thrusting right arm
This from the Web-Meister.Pretty heavy stuff -- and right on the money!
Swinging has a bit more hip and leg action...as the drag is more "ground up". Hitting is more of a "bracing" procedure in that the right side is used to brace against the thrusting right arm
This from the Web-Meister.Pretty heavy stuff -- and right on the money!
Isn't this a GREAT place to be
It can be useful to think of hitting as a 'shorter whip', with a more 'stable' base (and hence center).
All else being equal, the less moving parts, the more stable the machine. Those parts that do move, move in harmony with all other moving parts. Rhythm.
Excellent. "heavy" stuff indeed
davel - my intention was to highlight the importance of 'total' balance. A simple concept that isn't always so simple to do! Eyes closed practice with a heavy club can reallly help this.
Try drills hitting a basketball with a broom against a wall. Pay attention to how you can spin the ball, and where you must impact the ball to produce a given result. Hold the broom about halfway down, such that it is up near your left side and runs 'underneath' your left arm.
Start at impact fix (pose impact, see Hogan's 5 lessons page 102)and 'push through' to both arms straight until you are facing the target, and the broom handle is parallel to the ground. You should limit this drill to swings no larger than hip high back and through. If you have throw away (meaning you don't keep your left wrist flat), you will see that the broom will hit you in the left side.
Next drill with your right hand only. As you keep your right wrist bent back, and your right forearm in plane with the broom, notice the angle between the broom and your forearm. Keep that angle by leading with the right elbow. You may find it usefull to make a fist with your left hand and 'wedge' it between the broom and your right forearm, keeping it there while you brush 'down' and towards both arms straight.
The broom will help your pivot significantly, hitting or swinging.
Pay particular attention to your right elbow and right forearm, as if they are a spoke in a wheel and your right wrist is bent back 'on the rim'.
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Great responses! The answers I received were the intuitive ones that I suspected but were expressed so they just became more clearer. Understanding what my problem creates without having it is very difficult for people to understand ( it is not the same as a 1 leg swing) but in reality I have found that I can do more than I ever thought possible. I have not come close to the limits since it is less than a year and I have only returned to golf in the last 3 months. My plan of action is to print out the responses on the drills. I also have other weighted devices that will help as well. Do some core exercises especially working on the hips for flexibility. And try to find the best material in tgm laymans terminology on a hitting procedure with my gun loaded with 3 barrels. If there is material available for sale or free that covers the hitting material I would appreciate any input. I have looked back at some archives but they are so long and it is very difficult to follow them. With newer media capabilities of videos and audio with drills and demostrations the concepts are much easier to understant.
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