Straight line and more...

[acsweden]

When you hit and go "in a straight" line. Is that more of a feel or is it true geometry? What I understand has a swinger and hitter the same geometry..

The only thing I know that can move in a straight line is our "clamps" from startdown into downstroke, or?

Arc of approach and angle of approach. Curve or straight line between impact and LP. Does the clubhead really draw a straight line...? If so, whats the difference to a flat spot??? I´m really confused here...

Another but simular question:
I understand as a hitter you can trace the planeline/baseline OR you can trace another line, if so what line is that and doesn´t that mean that you´re bending the original planeline? I know that there is a line that Mr Kelley named the alternate target line. If you cover that line, isn´t that the same as tracing the baseline?

I am sorry for this very foggy thread in english/swedish....
Maby someone can help me back to the path

Thank you!

[golfbulldog]

Hi - angle of approach and arc of approach still confuse me too ....

But i suddenly thought that it depends on ones perspective...

Look at the water slide in this link :-

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/water-slide-5.jpg

It is clearly curved from the view of the photogragher ...

BUT if you were the child on the slide... looking straight ahead...you would be going in a straight line...although down....the line is still straight...

Does this sound correct..it is all down to viewpoint??

[nuke99]

There are 2 kind of release.

To make it simple talkin bout clubhead blur.

if the blurr is straight few degree out to the plane line.. thats Line.

If the blurr is more circular .. thats ARC.

In my understanding..... May not be 100% correct to your ears.. and some may argue.


The difference? ARC = more Body Pivot. ie Body Release. and a more ROLL effect. Because the body pivot provide the Closing of the clubface .. thus a more "horizontal hinge , courtesy of the pivot.

Straight line = Release down the line which goes a little further... ie a more ARM release and less roll and longer distance. When ARM throw down the line.. it doesn't roll , that much at least thus "angled hinge"

NOW... What is interesting in my opinion.. HOGAN uses ARC of approach. BUT , hold the clubface "angled hinging" . for alot of shots.. AS... his PIVOT provide the Horizontal Hinge. but his arm is no roll. thus .. maybe what is classified as angled hinging swinger.

[acsweden]

Thank you Bulldog,
I think you are on the right track! Depends on ones perspective - a visual perspective! A hitter sees (or can choose, maby)a straight line while a swinger sees a curve.

[acsweden]

When you hit and go "in a straight" line. Is that more of a feel or is it true geometry? What I understand has a swinger and hitter the same geometry..

The only thing I know that can move in a straight line is our "clamps" from startdown into downstroke, or?

Arc of approach and angle of approach. Curve or straight line between impact and LP. Does the clubhead really draw a straight line...? If so, whats the difference to a flat spot??? I´m really confused here...

Another but simular question:
I understand as a hitter you can trace the planeline/baseline OR you can trace another line, if so what line is that and doesn´t that mean that you´re bending the original planeline? I know that there is a line that Mr Kelley named the alternate target line. If you cover that line, isn´t that the same as tracing the baseline?

I am sorry for this very foggy thread in english/swedish....
Maby someone can help me back to the path

Thank you!

There are 2 kind of release.

To make it simple talkin bout clubhead blur.

if the blurr is straight few degree out to the plane line.. thats Line.

If the blurr is more circular .. thats ARC.

In my understanding..... May not be 100% correct to your ears.. and some may argue.


The difference? ARC = more Body Pivot. ie Body Release. and a more ROLL effect. Because the body pivot provide the Closing of the clubface .. thus a more "horizontal hinge , courtesy of the pivot.

Straight line = Release down the line which goes a little further... ie a more ARM release and less roll and longer distance. When ARM throw down the line.. it doesn't roll , that much at least thus "angled hinge"

NOW... What is interesting in my opinion.. HOGAN uses ARC of approach. BUT , hold the clubface "angled hinging" . for alot of shots.. AS... his PIVOT provide the Horizontal Hinge. but his arm is no roll. thus .. maybe what is classified as angled hinging swinger.

Nuke 99,

Intresting points. Two questions

When you go in a straight line, what do mean by -"goes a little further"?

If it is like our friend Bulldog wrote, that arc of approach and angle of approach are just visual aspects, how do you than know that a player uses the one or the other without asking. In this case Hogan using arc of approach. Is that because of his pivot?

[Bigwill]

If it is like our friend Bulldog wrote, that arc of approach and angle of approach are just visual aspects, how do you than know that a player uses the one or the other without asking...

Since these are visual equivalents used by the player making the swing, I don't think you can really know without asking.

[gmoney_69]

To understand how the clubhead can visually cover a straight line but yet still move in a circle you need a visual aid. Take something round like a plate or hula hoop and start with it on a horizontal surface. You see it as a circle. Now, start lifting it through the inclined plane, relate to it the same as you do the incline plane when at address, and look at it. Notice what happens as the object gets closer to vertical. Finally, look directly down on it. What do you see? A straight line, essentially the diameter. But, it's still a circle. It actually begins to appear straight before it reaches vertical.

That's why 2-J-3 states that the 10-5-E plane line, that your using as a visual reference, has to be steep. The closed 10-5-E Plane line connects Impact and Low Points and the steepness gives the visual of a straight line.

You are using 10-5-E as a visual reference to cover, but still using 10-5-A as your true Geometric Plane Line.