7-19 Lag Loading for Drag Loading

[Bumpy]

7-19 LAG LOADING

This category recognizes the over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Preface). (Study 6-H-O, 7-3 and 7-20.)

The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure "Feel" is a deadweight inertia--exactly like dragging a wet mop through Impact--constant loading, constanct direction. A careful nursing of Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established in three different ways:

1. ..........
2. ..........
3. by "throwing" the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading.

Having some problems drag loading. Having even more problems discerning #3 above. At first glance, it would appear to suggest that once Top is reached I "throw" at chosen Pressure Point and the "throw" takes me to End.

Prerequisites?

Grip?
Loose wrists?
What is doing the throwing?
.....?

Rats, I gotta go, the search begins.

Bumpsy

[innercityteacher]

7-19 LAG LOADING

This category recognizes the over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Preface). (Study 6-H-O, 7-3 and 7-20.)

The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure "Feel" is a deadweight inertia--exactly like dragging a wet mop through Impact--constant loading, constanct direction. A careful nursing of Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established in three different ways:

1. ..........
2. ..........
3. by "throwing" the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading.

Having some problems drag loading. Having even more problems discerning #3 above. At first glance, it would appear to suggest that once Top is reached I "throw" at chosen Pressure Point and the "throw" takes me to End.

Prerequisites?

Grip?
Loose wrists?
What is doing the throwing?
.....?

Rats, I gotta go, the search begins.

Bumpsy

Short thumb ala Ben Hogan with snuff box to the right of the centerline of the grip, will make LAG, POWER, PROPER BITE, PROPER FLIGHT AND DISTANCE all possible. It's not all there is but you can lose everything with the wrong grip, Hitting or Swinging.

When Lynn changed my swing, putting, and chipping grips, he made par possible for me, no lie. I practice it daily!

ICT

[JerryG]

Short thumb ala Ben Hogan with snuff box to the right of the centerline of the grip, will make LAG, POWER, PROPER BITE, PROPER FLIGHT AND DISTANCE all possible. It's not all there is but you can lose everything with the wrong grip, Hitting or Swinging.

When Lynn changed my swing, putting, and chipping grips, he made par possible for me, no lie. I practice it daily!

ICT

Thanks, PB. I concur wholeheartedly. I have only heard Yoda and one other teacher give much attention to the "anatomical snuffbox." Probably the least fully understood concept in the grip, to me. Overlap, Vardon, baseball (10 finger) grips make no difference whatsoever if that snuffbox is not placed correctly. After that, things have the opportunity to fall in place. If not, all is for naught, in my humble opinion.

[Mike O]

7-19 LAG LOADING

This category recognizes the over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Preface). (Study 6-H-O, 7-3 and 7-20.)

The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure "Feel" is a deadweight inertia--exactly like dragging a wet mop through Impact--constant loading, constanct direction. A careful nursing of Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established in three different ways:

1. ..........
2. ..........
3. by "throwing" the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading.

Having some problems drag loading. Having even more problems discerning #3 above. At first glance, it would appear to suggest that once Top is reached I "throw" at chosen Pressure Point and the "throw" takes me to End.

Prerequisites?

Grip?
Loose wrists?
What is doing the throwing?
.....?

Rats, I gotta go, the search begins.

Bumpsy

Agree that it could be read like that - throw at the Top. However, that is not what he is saying. And you are not "throwing" anything in regards to your effort. Look at it this way - if you are throwing a ball to a catcher - you create momentum in the ball and once you send it, it has it's own momentum until it hits the catchers glove. The swinging concept in regards to "throw" in this lag loading context - means that you create independent momentum in the golf club - say a lagging takeaway or backswing - and as your hands slow down somewhere on the way back before the Top - the club has it's own momentum and continues on - i.e. is thrown (not in the true sense like the baseball but indirectly thrown) where it hits the "catcher's glove" or the #3 pressure point and potentially creating pressure among other pressure points.

This is opposed to the Hitting loading procedure where the left arm and club work as one unit - the #3 pressure point with the right arm and the supporting body slows down the backward movement of that whole unit as it approaches the TOP, that resistant to that backward motion loads the #3 pressure point and maybe others.

You "swing" back the clubshaft in swinging and "carry" it back in Hitting.

Realize that secton like most in the book just describes the basic nature of the two procedures - it's like drawing a few lines for a "stick man" and saying "that's a human being", there is certainly a lot more to it than that. One might want to exaggerate the feel at the beginning in order to accomplish it, however ultimately you might see someone setting their wristcock very early and they could be swinging. Ultimately the procedure,feel, focus can be subtle and simple - as opposed to what one might mis-understand, mis-apply or initially need to feel in order to achieve the desired result in regards to terms like "throw". So early on would a soft grip allow you to sense, create or exaggerate the correct loading - absolutely - however once understood and applied it you could do this with a firm grip.

So eventually this "throw" would be as subtle as a release "throw" - you'd be unaware of when you did it, where you did it - when you're on the golf course executing - it just "would be". Ultimately it's just another "mechanical" feature of the movement, not something that always has your total focus.

[innercityteacher]

Thanks Mike O, that cleared the fog quite a bit for drive and drag, now just a light haze. Suspect my intermittent problems drag loading are mostly old age, flexibility and fatigue/stress destroying alignments.

Here are my current thoughts on Lag Loading.

1. Drive Loading(less experience)- Carry back(liked that)Deliberate resistance compared to drag, feels considerably shorter than drag, clubface feels aligned.

2. Float Loading (No Idea)- Doesn't sound anything like Drive Loading. I might be float loading for less than full power.

3. Drag Loading (that's me, requires a different mental state than my norm, nice reality break) - Your exlanation was great, momentum created(swung/thrown). I'm trying to be pliable AND let the weight stretch me while maintaing alignments, feels long/delayed, clubface feels rotated/laid off?. The bad swings/days I feel like I am catching the club with a misaligned stiff glove, like poor power transfer from the club to all 3 zones( a glancing blow), no slot.




Bumpy

All I feel young sir, is my left thumb while Swinging or RFT tracing the baseline of the plane while Hitting. My point is that the downswing happens so fast it is hard for me to do anything but see the ball leave.

"Left thumb/ Address/Drag or Trace takeaway/ Step Left or Elbow Plane Push to Both Arms Straight," is my list now. I am working towards "Right Forearm on Plane, Pincher Action, Quiet Hands, Quiet Feet....same as the last, same as the last."

I can't get the video link now but will provide it later.

ICT

[JerryG]

City,
You must be on break this week. Are you getting out to golf?

[innercityteacher]

City,
You must be on break this week. Are you getting out to golf?

We have state tests. Honestly, are kids are getting good at taking tests while their reading and math levels in high school are 4th grade or below.

I have been to the range twice this week and will do so later today, to try to experience some of what Bumpy is experiencing. I am thinking of making a driver purchase in the next several days to maximize my new found power and technique.

Ok, no more thread-jacking, Gerry!

ICT

[JerryG]

Ok, no more thread-jacking, Gerry!

ICT[/quote]

Cannot help it. I learned from the best. Just got home from today's range session, but had to be on mats. Worked on working the Flying Wedges down with a driving right shoulder. Compression!! Cannot wait for tomorrow. Hate to sleep on it, though. If you buy a driver they'll try to sell you the lightest whippiest thing in the store. Stay away. Get a recommendation from Yoda, Kev, or one of the other knowledgeable sorts found here.
Don't trust me either. I'll set you up with something to my advantage.

[Bumpy]

Float Loading
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ighlight=float

Float Loading With Structure

The Left Wristcock is not properly a function of the Wrist Muscles. Instead, it is the product of Right Elbow Bend (7-3). With Hitting, Right Elbow Action causes Muscle Power to Cock the Wrist. With Swinging, Right Elbow Motion permits Centrifugal Force to Cock the Wrist. Either way, there is normally no Left Wristcock unless the Right Elbow bends. This is true whether the Wrist is Cocked on the Backstroke or on the Downstroke.

With Float Loading, the Wrist is Cocked -- and the Right Elbow is further bent -- on the Downstroke. And this is accomplished with a characteristic 'gentle, even lazy' motion that does not disrupt the required Power Package structure. Herein lies the challenge: You must increase the Right Elbow bend (to affect the Wristcock) while simultaneously applying Right Triceps Extensor Action(to maintain structure).

Learning to bend the Right Elbow while simultaneously making the steady effort to straighten it is no small feat. But it can be done and is worthy of the attempt.

__________________
Yoda

[O.B.Left]

Thanks Mike O, that cleared the fog quite a bit for drive and drag, now just a light haze. Suspect my intermittent problems drag loading are mostly old age, flexibility and fatigue/stress destroying alignments.

Here are my current thoughts on Lag Loading.

1. Drive Loading(less experience)- Carry back(liked that)Deliberate resistance compared to drag, feels considerably shorter than drag, clubface feels aligned.

2. Float Loading (No Idea)- Doesn't sound anything like Drive Loading. I might be float loading for less than full power.

3. Drag Loading (that's me, requires a different mental state than my norm, nice reality break) - Your exlanation was great, momentum created(swung/thrown). I'm trying to be pliable AND let the weight stretch me while maintaing alignments, feels long/delayed, clubface feels rotated/laid off?. The bad swings/days I feel like I am catching the club with a misaligned stiff glove, like poor power transfer from the club to all 3 zones( a glancing blow), no slot.




Bumpy

Hey Bumpy I really like what Mike O. has said there. Nice stuff.

Re the lay off and miss aligned stiff glove thing you mention. Check your wrist conditions at Top, your Plane of the Left Hand Wrist Cock and the Direction of Lag Loading.

Are your hands sandwiching the inclined plane at Top or are you arched left/ over bent right? Is your Left Wrist Cocking a true Vertical only Hand Motion or have you introduced some Horizontal motion, arching ? In trying to load the Lag Pressure Point are you , a Swinger Drag Loader loading the mis matched Lag Pressure Point location? You should be loading the Rotated Lag Pressure Point, the knuckle at the base of the Right Index Finger . In trying to load the #3pp at the "first joint of the right Index finger" (as a Hitter does , classically ) its easy over swivel the left forearm and get the club under plane on the way back or/and get an arched left wrist , which makes cocking difficult unless your super flexible like say D.J.