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Old 04-16-2005, 04:31 PM
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Thanks for clarifying that. But much more thanks for your sharing of that wonderful series and participating in the discussions that followed. I've learned a lot reading, listening and observing. You've made a significant contribution to what I think is the best darned golf website out there. Thanks again....

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Old 04-16-2005, 05:27 PM
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Re: Tomasello: For the Record
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf

"....once you have set the flat left wrist and the bent-back wrist at address,
I don't see Tomasello using a Hitter's address position in his set-up. I do see a very Joe Dante early wrist set in the beginning of the stroke. Is this what he meant in the above quote? I agree with TT that the hands and wrists doing little in the way of movement once the wedges are set. The “Dante” movement of the hands though runs counter to the right forearm take away which Homer does refer to in my audio lesson as a right forearm pickup. Talking about the clubhead and ball Homer states that you pick it (clubhead) up and pick it (ball) off the ground.

Instead of this “Dante” move, I feel the forearm action at take-away is a reverse #3pp extensor action with the fanning motion of the forearm, not just the clubhead. The wedges may be set or setting as the right elbow bends and cocks the left wrist in a vertical plane.

For the record, the Tom Tomasello series was very enjoyable but not the last word in the golf stroke. TT did not benefit from a longer incubation period that we and TGM are experiencing today. I am so glad to have seen the clips. Thank you DG.
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Old 04-21-2005, 01:35 PM
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delaware golf,

are the tomasello tapes available on tape or dvd? if so where does one get them. i think they are fantastic!

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The 'Kink'
In his January 1981 GSEM [Master, Golf Stroke Engineering] Class with Homer Kelley, Tommy Tomasello related the story of one of his most memorable teaching experiences. He had gotten a call from a middle-aged South Carolina home builder who had never played golf -- or any other sports for that matter -- and wanted to take lessons. Tommy agreed to take him on.

The student was a strong man - "a working man" -- but was experiencing the usual slow start and its accompanying frustration. Then came the breakthrough: Tommy armed him with a five-iron and advised him to hit the ball with his right arm while keeping his right wrist bent. The student immediately applied that instruction, and together, he and Tommy stared in amazement as the ball soared 200 yards.

"I've got it! All I've got to do is keep the 'kink' in my wrist!"

And so it was.

With that piece of advice as his cornerstone, and with an obsession and practice schedule that would rival a touring professional, the student progressed rapidly. Results? Within six months, he was scoring in the mid-70s.

The Flat Left Wrist is the #1 Alignment in G.O.L.F. The great disrupter of this Alignment is the Flattening (a Horizontal Motion) of the Right Wrist during Release. Instead, learn to Uncock (a Vertical Motion) the Left Wrist and Roll (a Rotational Motion) the Left Hand while maintaining the Bent Right Wrist.

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Old 04-27-2005, 07:31 PM
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That's a super story Yoda. Also great defogging on the release.
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Using Tomasello's instruction....right arm swing.....

During a round there are some holes that are memorable.....

Today.....

420 yard par 4

230 yard 2 iron....190 yard 4 iron......both shots straight as an arrow (sweet)...190 yard 4 iron landed 10 yards from the pin.....made the putt for birdie....right forearm based putting stroke (straight line delivery path and angled hinging).

Both full shots were with the right arm swing a la Tomasello a la the Golfing Machine.....per 7-19 and 10-11-0-1.

DG
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Re: The 'Kink'
Originally Posted by Yoda
In his January 1981 GSEM [Master, Golf Stroke Engineering] Class with Homer Kelley, Tommy Tomasello related the story of one of his most memorable teaching experiences. He had gotten a call from a middle-aged South Carolina home builder who had never played golf -- or any other sports for that matter -- and wanted to take lessons. Tommy agreed to take him on.

The student was a strong man - "a working man" -- but was experiencing the usual slow start and its accompanying frustration. Then came the breakthrough: Tommy armed him with a five-iron and advised him to hit the ball with his right arm while keeping his right wrist bent. The student immediately applied that instruction, and together, he and Tommy stared in amazement as the ball soared 200 yards.

"I've got it! All I've got to do is keep the 'kink' in my wrist!"

And so it was.

With that piece of advice as his cornerstone, and with an obsession and practice schedule that would rival a touring professional, the student progressed rapidly. Results? Within six months, he was scoring in the mid-70s.

The Flat Left Wrist is the #1 Alignment in G.O.L.F. The great disrupter of this Alignment is the Flattening (a Horizontal Motion) of the Right Wrist during Release. Instead, learn to Uncock (a Vertical Motion) the Left Wrist and Roll (a Rotational Motion) the Left Hand while maintaining the Bent Right Wrist.

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Great post! Let's say that instead of a big burly dude, that the student weighed 100 lb and was not so strong. Would you get "kinky" with someone not as physically imposing?
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Let's say that instead of a big burly dude, that the student weighed 100 lb and was not so strong. Would you get "kinky" with someone not as physically imposing?
Probably not, 12 Piece. I'd train him in the structure and operation of the Flying Wedges and then, most likely, teach him to Swing, not Hit. The focus would then be on Centrifugal Force and Left Wrist Throw-Out Action, not Muscular Thrust and Right Elbow Drive-Out Action.
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Re: Dif'rent Strokes
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Let's say that instead of a big burly dude, that the student weighed 100 lb and was not so strong. Would you get "kinky" with someone not as physically imposing?
Probably not, 12 Piece. I'd train him in the structure and operation of the Flying Wedges and then, most likely, teach him to Swing, not Hit. The focus would then be on Centrifugal Force and Left Wrist Throw-Out Action, not Muscular Thrust and Right Elbow Drive-Out Action.
The thing you have to love about Hitting is the use of the right arm. Most people use their dominant hand to do everything. Hitting makes a great deal of sense just from that perspective.

I didn't have a clue you could hit a golf ball until reading The Golfing Machine. And I would have never know HOW TO DO IT if it weren't you Skipper.

It seems that Swinging is more "left side oriented." Is there an effective way to teach Swinging in a "right sided" fashion without the swing center becoming the Right Elbow instead of the Left Shoulder?
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Re: Dif'rent Strokes
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

It seems that Swinging is more "left side oriented." Is there an effective way to teach Swinging in a "right sided" fashion without the swing center becoming the Right Elbow instead of the Left Shoulder?
The Right Shoulder acts as a flywheel and spins Down Plane from the Top to provide the initial acceleration. This tightens the left side tension and provides the Left Arm Blast off and Momentum transfer for the Swinger.

But there must be no active Right Arm Drive-Out Action for Swinging.

The drill in this post may help:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/v...ghlight=#10952
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