Statements:
You don’t need to have the Right Forearm On-Plane at Impact, but having Your Right Forearm On-Plane at Impact offers support and the best geometry to insure a 3 dimensional impact.
1-L-20 For any given Line of Compression (through the ball) every Machine must produce identical Impact Alignments.
Inference: “Impact Fix” alignments vary per “Basic Plane Angles” 10-6-0
Question: How does “Address Posture” (down the Line) differ for Golfers using an “Elbow” Plane Vs. Golfers Using a “Turned Shoulder” Plane?
Are the above statements and inference logically connected?
Does Axis Tilt play a role?
Do Golfers using a Turned Shoulder Plane have Shoulders more Open at Impact than if using an Elbow PLane?
Is the Right Forearm closer to Parallel to the Base Line of the Inclined Plane when using a Turned Shoulder Plane than an Elbow Plane?
This could be a good learning opportunity for newbees. But, you need to understand something about HK and the Book. This is something said in a round about way. In Hands controlled Pivot Swings (the mind is in the Hands, etc.) the Hands dictate to the Pivot. This means that Hand location and an On-Plane Right Forearm at Impact determine where the Right Shoulder needs to be located if you want it's support. In other words, if you want the Right Shoulder to help support the Power Package than the Right Shoulder must comply with the Inclined Plane. In a Turned Shoulder Plane, It's not your Hands that need to comply with the Right Shoulder by being on the Plane (the line from Ball through the Right Shoulder) but it's the Right Shoulder that must be on the line from the Hands to the Ball. The Naming of Plane Angles by referrence points, such as "Square Shoulder", "Elbow", "Turned Shoulder" only Identify (by Drawing a line from Hands to Ball) where the Right Elbow needs to be at Impact.
That is why ANY return to the Elbow Plane is Pivot Controlled Hands.
D . . . not sure address posture really plays a role here in determining plane angle as far as the "reference point" . . . you can have different amounts of waist bend and still have the different plane angle reference points. Also it depends on if the arms go to End or Top. The other piece is the Shoulder Turn component and its relation to Plane Angle component. Turned Shoulder Plane is generally based on a Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn . .. but you can get to the Turned Shoulder Plane with other Shoulder Turn components . . . but the book says FLAT. The flatter planes are generally going to have steeper shoulder turns.
D . . . not sure address posture really plays a role here in determining plane angle as far as the "reference point" . . . you can have different amounts of waist bend and still have the different plane angle reference points. Also it depends on if the arms go to End or Top. The other piece is the Shoulder Turn component and its relation to Plane Angle component. Turned Shoulder Plane is generally based on a Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn . .. but you can get to the Turned Shoulder Plane with other Shoulder Turn components . . . but the book says FLAT. The flatter planes are generally going to have steeper shoulder turns.
I can’t say that I agree with you. Shoulder Height and Elbow location are determined by the On-Plane Right Forearm at Impact Fix. The Upward angle of the Forearm shows the precise path that the hands will take to the Top of the Swing. You don’t move the Hands; rather they are moved by Extensor Action (Right Shoulder Deltoid Muscles side and Back of the muscle only, not the front deltoid). The UPward angle of the right forearm shows you the path but the extensor action take-away moves the Hands and the left arm checkrein keeps them on that path (if you don't further bend the right elbow beyond the impact fix bend plus two inches of bend to cock the left wrist).
The Flatter the Swing Plane, the lower the Right Shoulder becomes (Flatter Shoulder Turn). Flatter is only a visual comparison to a Raised Shoulder. The Swing Plane which is determined at Impact Fix, determines how Flat the Flatter Right Shoulder appears. Regardless, extensor action and the left arm checkrein determines how high the shoulder travels.
The Pivot must comply with the #3 pressure point for the #3 Pressure point to trace or cover the Plane Line during the Downswing Sequences. Therefore, Posture and Pivot component geometry is dependent on Swing Plane Angle. You must train the pivot to comply. See: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=6375, post #57.
Here’s the real Bugger. For all of these years and many Editions, the Drag loading Pattern includes a Lower Right Shoulder, ie. Flat Shoulder Turn on the Backstroke is a description of the appearance a shoulder location resulting from an extensor action take-away on the shallowest plane possible allowing a sequence release to un-cock and roll (swivel) on Plane. Additionally, it’s the preferred plane because the Pivots’ motion and actions are easily achieved and look very golfing like and this is the Plane that a Swinger, Swinging a Driver will adhere to……...
But, the Swinger when using a Pitching Wedge and sequenced release will swing on a steeper plane than a Driver and will look like he has a Rotated Shoulder Turn at the Top of his Backstroke.
I believe the current Owner of TGM-7th Edition chose on his own, to change the Swingers Pattern to a Rotated shoulder Plane is misguided. Looking like a Rotated Shoulder Turn and Being a Rotated shoulder turn are two entirely different things……. Homer Kelley could not make that mistake because he wouldn’t get them confused.
The Right Shoulder Location for a Rotated Shoulder is determined to be at Right Angles to the Spine. The Spine Controls the shoulder turn regardless of extensor action. A rotated shoulder Plane is not based on swing plane, therefore it may not comply with the swing plane. It is a Pivot controlled Hands procedure for a Swinger, the same that the elbow plane is a Pivot Controlled Hands procedure for a Hitter who does not use extensor action……….Homer didn’t tell the Hitter to Swing on a plane not controlled by extensor action. The Hitter using extensor action will swing on the elbow plane and have a Hands controlled pivot. A hacker will swing on the elbow plane and use Pivot contolled hands. Sherlock Holmes.
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