keep it quiet about the shoulder plane matching the swing plane, OK? Holeone
is a the world's best guru, and he doesn't agree that's possible. No need to
rock the ark.
David Alford
Never said that, SuperDave. The Rotated Shoulder Turn is a defined Stroke
Component Variation (10-13-C), and I have written several posts on exactly
that subject. However, assuming you are locating a Turned Shoulder Plane, it
involves a very precise and exaggerated Waist Bend. [Which, by the way, I am
not at all sure Moe is doing, but I'll go back and take a look sometime.]
And, because it by definition precludes any axis tilt -- weight shift -- it
is restricted to lower Power applications.
Well, you wrote:On the Backstroke, the Shoulders and the Clubhead Rotate in
two distinctly different Planes. Always have. Always will.
Well that's false unless you try to save face of having made an obivous error
by saying not two planes (like no two snowflakes) are ever the same. But,
then, you did say "distinctly different", did you not?
David A.
SuperDave, and I am smiling wryly as I write this -- you are simply too
much! Our previous discussion related to the 'as Flat as possible' Backstroke
Shoulder Turn. Remember? In fact, your pronouncement of Homer's 'error' in
the Bobby Clampett Swing Analysis was the whole point of our discussion! My
response, which you have accurately quoted and which my post adequately
discussed, was that the Right Shoulder's Backstroke Turn to the Plane
is totally independent of the Clubhead's constant travel on the Plane.
They do, in fact, rotate on two distinctly different Planes. Hence, I stand
by my response of 'two different planes' -- both for the Backstroke Shoulder
Turn versus the Inclined Plane Angle.
Further, the Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn is followed by the
distinctly different Downstroke On Plane Shoulder Turn. This
combination is the highly recommended 'On Plane' Component Variation
(10-13-D). However, 10-13-D does not eliminate the choice of the Rotated
Shoulder Turn (10-13-C). It only offers mechanical superiority.
You, on the other hand, continue to labor under the false belief that a Backstroke
Shoulder Turn made 'as flat as possible' somehow mandates a Flat (and Off
Plane) Backstroke and, also, a baseball batter's near horizontal plane
through the Ball. Well, all I can say is that you are entitled to your
opinion. You're wrong, of course, but you're entitled to that as well.
At least the discussion is offering readers ample opportunity to do their own
research and to judge the merits of our respective positions. Most important,
it offers them the opportunity to understand and apply sound Golf Stroke
Mechanics to their own Game.
-- you are simply too
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