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Old 02-25-2007, 03:56 PM
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Why Can"t People Just Have Discipline???
Well currently I am an Assistant Golf Pro in Nashville Tennessee. I have a lot of talent when it comes to playing and I feel like I can teach pretty well also. But the way I became dangerous as a player was through a better understanding of what needs to happen and a even greater discipline on doing things the right way.

When I started TGM I hit basic motion shots for hours every day, and I still do when given the chance.

Now I am teaching people what I have learned and, well they seem to believe that hitting 10 basic motion shots in a lifetime will be enough. Most of the time they still aren't doing it correct. My head just wants to explode half of the time.

How do you other teachers put up will the egos that show up on the range?

It seems that everyone just wants a instant fix.

I would love to hear how you guys do it.
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Old 02-25-2007, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ndwolfe81 View Post
Well currently I am an Assistant Golf Pro in Nashville Tennessee. I have a lot of talent when it comes to playing and I feel like I can teach pretty well also. But the way I became dangerous as a player was through a better understanding of what needs to happen and a even greater discipline on doing things the right way.

When I started TGM I hit basic motion shots for hours every day, and I still do when given the chance.

Now I am teaching people what I have learned and, well they seem to believe that hitting 10 basic motion shots in a lifetime will be enough. Most of the time they still aren't doing it correct. My head just wants to explode half of the time.

How do you other teachers put up will the egos that show up on the range?

It seems that everyone just wants a instant fix.

I would love to hear how you guys do it.
Homer said, "I think Basic Motion is going to be bigger than the book."

Everyone's different. But, I strive to truly know my students. If our goals are the same, then no one is disappointed. I think that everyone that takes lessons from me knows that I care about them, I want them to get better, and I take as much delight in their success as they do.

There are those that want a "tip" to hit it better in the Club Championship which, by the way, starts tomorrow. And, there are those that understand that it will take time and effort to make a substantial change. If I had a dime for everyone that said, "I don't want to change my swing. But, I sure would like to play better.", I could retire.

I am brutally honest with those that don't listen to my advice about proper practice. I tell them that they are welcome to stay vested in MY retirement plan. They are more than welcome to keep coming every week, wasting money, just to listen to me talk. Or, they can take my advice and reap the benefits. Usually, they choose the latter.
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Old 02-25-2007, 05:21 PM
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Homer said, "I think Basic Motion is going to be bigger than the book."

Everyone's different. But, I strive to truly know my students. If our goals are the same, then no one is disappointed. I think that everyone that takes lessons from me knows that I care about them, I want them to get better, and I take as much delight in their success as they do.

There are those that want a "tip" to hit it better in the Club Championship which, by the way, starts tomorrow. And, there are those that understand that it will take time and effort to make a substantial change. If I had a dime for everyone that said, "I don't want to change my swing. But, I sure would like to play better.", I could retire.

I am brutally honest with those that don't listen to my advice about proper practice. I tell them that they are welcome to stay vested in MY retirement plan. They are more than welcome to keep coming every week, wasting money, just to listen to me talk. Or, they can take my advice and reap the benefits. Usually, they choose the latter.
Since y'all are talking about the benefits of Basic Motion . . . why don't y'all describe what it is for them that ain't heard from the teachers perspective . . . for both Procedures.
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Old 02-25-2007, 06:09 PM
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How I start out teaching a lesson.
After the student understands some basic things such as: Low Point, Inside out impact, Flat Left Wrist, Cocking and Uncocking of the left wrist, Bending right wrist, Turning and Rolling, Plane line, and Impact Alingements (that sounds like a lot, but everyone seems to understand it pretty easy) After I cover these topics I will try and go into some Basic Motion Shots

Basic Motion-

Slow Smooth motion up-and-back, down-and-out and up-and-in the same distance in both directions. (two feet back, two feet through)

No adjustments because of or for impact.

Monitor flat left wrist, and bent right wrist, ball then grass (small divot)

Then I have to explain that we are not throwing the clubhead, just move your hands the correct way and everything happens the right way.

That is most of it.

Maybe I talk about to many things.
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Old 02-25-2007, 06:34 PM
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Basic Motion changed everything in my golf strokes these past few months. I had little time to play any golf but lots of practice both basic and acquired motions on the carpets at work and my backyard. I had nothing to lose. From Chipping to Pitching- Flying wedges, Hinge Motions, RFT, 7-3, Hand actions, Elbow positions, accumulators and pressure points, rhythm, on and on- it was the best thing to happen to my G.O.L.F. education. The Yoda-Hull vids, the Colleen Neeman series, and some others vids were a great help. I know doing basic/acquired motions are not sexy to teach and some rip it every chance they get but my band-aid box is full. My hands never use them.
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I think that trying to teach basic motion on a range 300 yards long makes it harder... most of us will hit to within the limits of the surroundings... put a 50 foot high wall 20 feet in front of the player and see how many want to hit full shots into that...rebounds flying head high certainly makes one concentrate on 2 feet back 2 feet through.

Better still, use their most expensive balls 20 feet in front of a deep lake.... they are not going to want to get anywhere near acquired motion ... may not hit through enough though....
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Old 02-25-2007, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke View Post
Homer said, "I think Basic Motion is going to be bigger than the book."

Everyone's different. But, I strive to truly know my students. If our goals are the same, then no one is disappointed. I think that everyone that takes lessons from me knows that I care about them, I want them to get better, and I take as much delight in their success as they do.

There are those that want a "tip" to hit it better in the Club Championship which, by the way, starts tomorrow. And, there are those that understand that it will take time and effort to make a substantial change. If I had a dime for everyone that said, "I don't want to change my swing. But, I sure would like to play better.", I could retire.

I am brutally honest with those that don't listen to my advice about proper practice. I tell them that they are welcome to stay vested in MY retirement plan. They are more than welcome to keep coming every week, wasting money, just to listen to me talk. Or, they can take my advice and reap the benefits. Usually, they choose the latter.

Yes, yourself and Yoda are great teachers, but are higher handicap players tough to teach for you guys? Or even worse how about the guys who think they can really play, but the only course they can play is there home course?

Preaching to the choir is the feeling that I seem to get a lot of the time.

Such a thing like Basic Motion seems so easy to me, yet these people seem like they have a better chance of winning the powerball, than preforming a great Basic Motion stroke five times consecutively.
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A teacher can only point the way- the student needs to grab the reins.

Basic Motion is so easy, yet... do it, study it and everything will crystallize. It ain't a waggle- it's a motion. Ben Doyle's chip, pitch and Punch starts every session. That's Basic, Acquired and a Punch.

I have seen AI's work with Pros or advanced players who listen with half an ear, providing nothing back to the instructor, just hoping to get a tip or a position change. I have seen Lynn work with a tour guy that might just be one of his best students- not because of ability but for his sponge- like qualities.
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Originally Posted by golfbulldog View Post
I think that trying to teach basic motion on a range 300 yards long makes it harder... most of us will hit to within the limits of the surroundings... put a 50 foot high wall 20 feet in front of the player and see how many want to hit full shots into that...rebounds flying head high certainly makes one concentrate on 2 feet back 2 feet through.

Better still, use their most expensive balls 20 feet in front of a deep lake.... they are not going to want to get anywhere near acquired motion ... may not hit through enough though....
You've got a good point about getting them to do a true Basic Motion.

I thought I had the answer, when I asked a guy to imagine his girlfriend was sitting a couple of feet in front of him. I said, "hit the ball to her." Then, he must have hit the PW 175 yards. I said, "You just killed her!" He chuckled and said, "yeah!"

Something tells me they're no longer together.
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Originally Posted by ndwolfe81 View Post
Yes, yourself and Yoda are great teachers, but are higher handicap players tough to teach for you guys? Or even worse how about the guys who think they can really play, but the only course they can play is there home course?

Preaching to the choir is the feeling that I seem to get a lot of the time.

Such a thing like Basic Motion seems so easy to me, yet these people seem like they have a better chance of winning the powerball, than preforming a great Basic Motion stroke five times consecutively.
I'm not blowing smoke when I say that I really enjoy what I do. I just look for improvement in everyone.

I've had two guys that have given me updates in the last few months that have broken into the 70's. Each of them began with me a few years ago, and both were shooting in the 120's before we met. I would consider both of them to be very good students/listeners. They followed our plan for improvement (Basic Motion/Acquired Motion/Total Motion ) precisely.

A couple of weeks ago, I gave a private school to two guys in West Palm Beach. One was 87 years old, and he was terribly depressed. He couldn't play with his buddies anymore, because his game had really deteriorated. I just spoke to his son-in-law today. And, he has been playing often, with better results than he's had in years. In fact, he beat his son-in-law who's more than a few decades younger.

The ones that think they can play (dressed like a Tour player and can't break 90) are always entertaining. If they truly want change, they're just as willing to do the work. If they just want the look, anyone can buy a Polo and a staff bag.

The Tour players are easy. They can do anything that you ask.
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