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Old 04-01-2005, 11:54 AM
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That was the look on everyone's face in the early 90's. Pelz has this robot with a bunch of PGA Professionals in the stands. He takes a tin can, puts it thirty feet away from perfy, and perfy hits the tin can time after time. THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS THAT PERFY DID NOT FIT HUMAN ANATOMY.
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Old 04-01-2005, 03:18 PM
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That was the look on everyone's face in the early 90's. Pelz has this robot with a bunch of PGA Professionals in the stands. He takes a tin can, puts it thirty feet away from perfy, and perfy hits the tin can time after time. THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS THAT PERFY DID NOT FIT HUMAN ANATOMY.
Although Pelz is getting a lot of press because of his association with Mickelson, it sure seems like Utley's stock is rising from what I've read.
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Old 04-01-2005, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by vj


That was the look on everyone's face in the early 90's. Pelz has this robot with a bunch of PGA Professionals in the stands. He takes a tin can, puts it thirty feet away from perfy, and perfy hits the tin can time after time. THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS THAT PERFY DID NOT FIT HUMAN ANATOMY.
That must be what I saw a few years ago in Silicon Valley when I was playing golf at Spring Valley Golf course when Pelz was conducting a clinic.

I thought to myself the human body cannot accomodate the postition the tin man is portraying.
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Old 04-03-2005, 09:21 AM
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MG,
Begin working on your stroke at home with a plane board or putting arc. Try and give it 60 repitions a day for 30 days. While playing, just putt. The difficult thing about golf is changing the habit. Knowledge is everything, but it will not make a permanent change until you acquire the habit's motion through repetition.

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I took a look at lindseygolf.com. They know there stuff don't they. I was really impressed with their research. I will try and get one of their putters and let you know what I find here.
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Old 04-03-2005, 10:43 AM
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Vj,Mg,

Just wanted to add to your, Vj, comments on repetition. It IS necessary, but it is not the only means to create new habits. Association, creating a clear concept in your mind, and even infusing some emotion into the learning process all help in expediting the learning and habit formation.

I also remember an Australian Rules football coach saying:-

"Practice makes perfect is b...s..t,
Only perfect practice makes perfect"

Cheers,
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Old 04-03-2005, 02:11 PM
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Last year Sports Illustrated Golf Plus section did a review of Stan Utley's teaching of the putting stroke and it showed a series of pictures of Tiger from behind. It showed the toe of the putter opening slightly as it came back, straight at impact, and toe closing slightly in the follow through. Two nights later I see Dave Pelz on the Golf channel with the magnificent Perfy showing the "straight back, straight through" stroke followed by a clip of a pro supposedly doing this---the pro was Tiger. And while Mr. Pelz was commenting about how the putter is going straight back, the clip clearly shows the toe opening!! I just chuckled. Oh well, he has a Gulfstream and I fly Air Tran.
VJ, question about the Putting Arc. I have adopted the Jack Nicklaus putting set-up and, with Yoda's help a couple of weeks ago, now have only movement of my right arm while putting (bends at the elbow going back and then push forward to straight right arm after impact). Would the Putting Arc be of value for this type of stroke?? Thanks, Dr Dave
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Old 04-03-2005, 10:28 PM
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Straight Lines And Curves: Where Are You Going?
Originally Posted by dcg1952

VJ, question about the Putting Arc. I have adopted the Jack Nicklaus putting set-up and, with Yoda's help a couple of weeks ago, now have only movement of my right arm while putting (bends at the elbow going back and then push forward to straight right arm after impact). Would the Putting Arc be of value for this type of stroke?? Thanks, Dr Dave
Hi Dave,

Nice to see you in cyberspace! Ain't science wonderful?

I know you've queried V.J., but since I'm the guy who got you in the Push Basic (10-3-C) mode, please humor me with this response.

In the Push Basic Stroke, the Right Elbow is positoned in an 'Up and Out' (from the Right Hip) location. From there, the Right Forearm -- courtesy of the bending (but not Fanning) Right Elbow -- moves along the line that it is positioned, with the Hands always remaining between the Elbow and the Ball. In other words, if the Forearm is positioned pointing at the Plane Line (as is most often the case), it moves directly away from that 'pointing toward' point on the Backstroke and directly toward that 'pointing toward' point on the Downstroke.

As a practice drill, execute this motion with the Clubshaft remaining in contact with the edge of a picnic bench or another such low siderail. While the Right Forearm Thrust of the Stroke is very definitely Cross-Line (toward -- and not along -- the Plane Line), the Clubshaft will Trace a Straight Plane Line, and the Clubhead will move in an Arc -- the Arc of Approach. This is The Putting Arc.

Now you have a choice:

1. You may monitor the Curved Clubhead Blur through Impact -- the Putting Arc -- or...

2. You may Trace the Straight Plane Line (2-0-B-#3 and 1-L-#6).

My suggestion?

Do both and gain a true understanding of the Geometric Straight Plane Lineand also its Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach (2-J-3).
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Old 04-04-2005, 11:02 AM
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Thanks Yoda-----As always, each explanation from you lifts a little more fog. I'll give both a go this week. Have fun in Augusta! Dr Dave
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Old 04-06-2005, 09:16 AM
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Dr. Dave, the putting arc will not fit you utilizing this plane angle. However, we do custom make wooden arcs. You can contact (vj@troliogolf.com) and I will get the custom order sheet to you.
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Old 04-06-2005, 11:09 AM
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Thanks VJ! I'll contact you soon. Thanks for your help. Dave
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