When tracing the plane line in the backswing with the dowel drills, I end up on plane. However, I find that I then lag the hosel instead of the sweetspon, resulting in the dreaded shankola. I think I have been swinging underplane to counter the lagging hosel. Has anyone experienced this? If I turn the clubface off the plane at the top, my contact is much better, I am thinking it will help me obtain a more on plane backswing. Right track? What drills would help turning the clubface off the plane per 2(F)?
Try checking plane using a flashlight rather than a dowel.
Get two small mag lights and tape them end to end.
You can focus the beams down to a fairly small circle. This with give you a better idea if you are tracing the plane going back because it shows you where PP#3 is tracing.
As a guess without seeing your motion, you are either extremely flat going back (shoulder turn takeaway) and/or you are letting your hands move 'out' and over swiveling/turning going back, right off the ball.
Some other drills for you -
practice your backswing very slowly with your back near a wall (use a wedge, stand slightly away from the wall)
Have someone hold a club/dowel parallel to your targetline just in front of your hands at address and take a backswing. Keep the clubhead outside that shaft/dowel until near hip high.
To get the feel for keeping the clubhead 'out in front' of you, do some split grip drills/takeaways. If you have been really taking it in/over swiveling, you should get a feel that you are getting your hands 'under' the shaft - almost an early wrist set 'feel' - from there you can get the club UP plane
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turning the clubface off plane would open it further (turn to the right, roll to the left)
at the extremes, everything else being correct, you can make that over 'turn' into a snap release with pitch elbow and automatic snap release, but there is very little margin for error there and it is, after all, off plane motion
can you clarify what you mean by 'turn off plane'?
If you mean keeping the clubface more 'square to the arc', you are talking about an angled hinge or an arched left wrist/closed position, more of a hitter's motion, although a very common compensation when underplane
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Ok, in that case you are compensating for being under/off plane, and using what amounts to a hitter's simultaneous release, rather than the sequenced release of a swinger.
Perhaps you may even have more of a hitting pattern, hard to say without seeing your motion.
To get the feel for the sequenced release of the swinger, you need to feel the 'karate chop' of the pinky side of both hands going at the inside corner of the ball (see EdZ drills in my signature) (pitch elbow position) and the on plane uncocking THEN roll of the release.
Feel the toe of the club goes UP, UP, UP, plane on the backswing
Practice uncocking the left wrist on plane fully (clubface turned onto the plane), THEN let the pivot 'throw out' the clubface to square it up.
It is also very, very likely you have a ball position that is way too far back in the stance.
If you can post some video/pics it would help get to the bottom of things.
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Thanks Edz, I do play it too far back. I swing, much more conducive to my stature, which is on the small side. I will work on uncocking first and then rolling. Would this not encourage throwaway though?
Thanks Edz, I do play it too far back. I swing, much more conducive to my stature, which is on the small side. I will work on uncocking first and then rolling. Would this not encourage throwaway though?
No, as long as the uncocking is done on plane (left wrist turned to the plane "karate chop") there is no way you can throw it away, the left wrist won't let it, it can't.
The roll is imparted by the pivot and its throw out action (massive rotor).
That is the beauty of the swingers release, the uncock and roll makes it nearly impossible to throw it away when done on plane.
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Bucket hammered this one home for me! Throwaway can be initiated by an overwhelming desire to move FORWARD...understandable given the siren call of the fluttering flag in the distance! A classic seems as if scenario. If you like to shop for bargains I have a 2 for 1 deal for you! By uncocking the left wrist on an inclined plane you get DOWN and OUT. By vitue of the fact that you left arm is attached you will also go forward. By an effort to exlusively go forward from the top we end up bending the left wrist...instant misery! You cannot uncock and bend the left wrist at the same time. Check out Yoda's Left Wrist cock drill in Alignment Golf.
Indeed you are correct, worked on it last night, with the ball played more forward, club had time to rotate. Got to watch the ball position. Thanks Edz, your drill did the trick, amazing how well they work.
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