Ha! I just realized a major misinterpretation! Thanks!
Very good, Jeff!
Perhaps I'll be a little slower working through ver 6 of TGM.
Patrick
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Hmm, maybe we are getting our wires crossed. Im talking about the knuckle at the base of the index finger, the one you'd punch with. That is on top of the shaft in Hogans grip. This is the number three pressure point in its swingers, rotated position, the one you load when drag loading. The other #3 pp location is associated with radial acceleration, through impact or for drive loading is the first joint , the crease just below the knuckle of the index finger, which Hogan aligned on the aft of the shaft. One index finger , two lag pressure points , one on top , one on the aft. Both at the ready to sustain the lag and direct it.
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Is there more to the #3 pp than even HK writes about?
Vertical hinging with a push basic stroke-seems most natural to this hinge- would place the second joint of the right index finger behind /under the shaft then rotating to first jount at low point and then on top shaft at follow through?
I have had, a couple of decades ago, extensive practice and training with mainly the EPEE (fencing- rapier) and control is all pressures and feel in the right hand. Primary the index finger. Just think about how exact the brain places the point on a moving object from a moving system and without a thought beyond being alert? You know, golf should be so simple if we could get our brains around the game. BUT alas (sigh) we can't
Thanks, OB, I will save this along with Kevin's docs and experiment and learn!
Patrick
Patrick,
You are now in great hands with your AI. If you find things in those documents you like, clear it with your teacher before you try to incorporate into your swing. You guys are developing a great plan, don't allow it to be derailed by other ideas that may not fit your puzzle!
Kevin
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Is there more to the #3 pp than even HK writes about?
Vertical hinging with a push basic stroke-seems most natural to this hinge- would place the second joint of the right index finger behind /under the shaft then rotating to first jount at low point and then on top shaft at follow through?
I have had, a couple of decades ago, extensive practice and training with mainly the EPEE (fencing- rapier) and control is all pressures and feel in the right hand. Primary the index finger. Just think about how exact the brain places the point on a moving object from a moving system and without a thought beyond being alert? You know, golf should be so simple if we could get our brains around the game. BUT alas (sigh) we can't
The Bear
Its been reported that Homer tried at first to assign Hinge Action to the right side but ended up placing it under the left hands job description.
Bear you sound like a very right sided kinda guy. Like myself. I can Hinge quite well with my right hand but only when my left is off the club, one handed. With both hands attached Im back to executing them with my left hand. Not really sure why this is but it is. Its is also inline with what Homer finally advocated.
PUsh basic is normally said to promote Angled Hinging, Vertical being a reverse roll of the left hand, a trained thing (intentional or otherwise). Cut shots are sort of natural for me too so I do tend to get a little vertical hinging going on short ones, without even thinking about it. Im guessing that its the way in which the club bounces off the ground , an anti chilli dip contact with the turf that I have learned over time and employ subconsciously. Im playing up north so the grass here allows you to kind of vertical Hinge a little sand shot like intentional fat shot. Not sure if bermuda would kill it or not. Never figured that stuff out to be honest. It just loves to grab hold of the leading edge and bring the whole parade to a stop.
By the way , have you tried the Bat? I like it a lot. A right sided thing but without the throwaway tendency that Push Basic chipping has for me anyways. Fanning and Bending, its blends quite nicely from Basic Motion to Total Motion. It can be used when Hitting , axe handle or Swinging , rope handle, right arm swinging.
O.B. You are right. I do think more right than left. Golf , to me is like rubbing my stomach and patting my head in a lot of different ways. My left hand is something I attempt to have vertical at impact and sometimes do a little extra #2 uncocking to get the belt going. BUT, the right hand knows all, where the shaft is where the plane is where the hands are headed, how they will get there, what their relationship is to the plane.
So in general I make sure I'm rubbing my stomach with my left hand then I can pat my head or touch my nose or scratch my ear or post this comment with my right hand. Just have to check that The left arm continues around the left shoulder and the swing is around the head/center and doesn't get centered at the right shoulder or elbow or some other disruptive place.
So for me right is right. Not for power, unless that is chosen, but for the most important things.
Well maybe you're a good fit for Homer's stuff then. He thought the game was best relegated to right side control, hitting or swinging. Right side centric thoughts so to speak. Something you dont get in popular instruction despite the fact that right handed golfers are for the most part........right handed. Trail handed.
I see my little girls taking their first golf swings and showing..........right side, hitting. My wife ......hitting. First time golfers ......hitting. Maybe Im just seeing things.
Damn they're beautiful.
David Toms and K.J. Choi are doing pretty well at the Masters today. Im sort of wondering about Phil too, he has some right side in there too to my eye.
A very wise man once told me that " All the pro's are trying to figure out how to get their right sides into their action". Make of that what you will. Certainly there are some who dont, but ...........the right side has to my mind been under rated by the golfing public , to say the least. We are not alone! Damn we might even be the majority. Be you a swinger or hitter, the right side can be boss.
I was carrying the range TITLEISTS 230 in the air!
And after I hit my PW that far, well, I hit my driver further!
Seriously, though, they were not all TITLEISTS LMFAO!!!!
Jerry, are you near Minneapolis? Kevin?
Pat
Originally Posted by JerryG
Be sure to have plenty of right shoulder downward drive so you don't run out of right arm. Okie's sage advice may be some of the best you ever receive: "Drive the right shoulder down until you hit dirt...then drive some more...you bastard!"
I'm taking it to the bank.
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I just ordered my yellowbook today, introduced myself yesterday in another thread.
I did not have much of a clue about the PP's prior to reading here, I was just looking for a way to hit more solidly.
Today I had my second mental breakthrough, first I had with the left shoulder stuff, today with the PP#3.
Probably my grip with the right hand is a bit more under the club that's why I feel pp3 is tiny below 1rst joint of the right index finger. I start to feel the load I put on the shaft there and once I feel the load, I can predict a good hit on the sweetspot. Unluckily that happend in my backyard hitting into a net, so I can't make any testimonials about the ball flight, but solidly I start to hit clean shots.
After a while experiencing this feeling I couldn't resist to try it on the lawn, and et voila, nice divots, rather thin, I think that comes from the extensive mat practise, but none of the divots was deeper then a quarter of an inch, from 8 iron to 5 iron. My first impression is "shake it baby"
I hit the backyard tomorrow again every now and then to inhale more of this feeling.
Thanks to all of you, this is really great help here.
Cheers
Frank
PS: does anybody now the book "Homer Kelley's Golfing Machine: The Curious Quest That Solved Golf"? i thought it would be good to something on a higher level as well.
I just ordered my yellowbook today, introduced myself yesterday in another thread.
I did not have much of a clue about the PP's prior to reading here, I was just looking for a way to hit more solidly.
Today I had my second mental breakthrough, first I had with the left shoulder stuff, today with the PP#3.
Probably my grip with the right hand is a bit more under the club that's why I feel pp3 is tiny below 1rst joint of the right index finger. I start to feel the load I put on the shaft there and once I feel the load, I can predict a good hit on the sweetspot. Unluckily that happend in my backyard hitting into a net, so I can't make any testimonials about the ball flight, but solidly I start to hit clean shots.
After a while experiencing this feeling I couldn't resist to try it on the lawn, and et voila, nice divots, rather thin, I think that comes from the extensive mat practise, but none of the divots was deeper then a quarter of an inch, from 8 iron to 5 iron. My first impression is "shake it baby"
I hit the backyard tomorrow again every now and then to inhale more of this feeling.
Thanks to all of you, this is really great help here.
Cheers
Frank
PS: does anybody now the book "Homer Kelley's Golfing Machine: The Curious Quest That Solved Golf"? i thought it would be good to something on a higher level as well.
Welcome Frank!
I really enjoyed the Curious Quest as it gives a lot of insight into why the book was written the way it is. I also really like some of the things written in the foreward by Steve Elkington, a real testament to the validity of the book.
It helped me a lot to spend time in Lynn's section here, the chapter by chapter breakdown of discussions. It really personalized Homer's work for me. Take it slow Frank, there is a LOT to learn, it's a journey, not a crash course...
Kevin
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Take it slow Frank, there is a LOT to learn, it's a journey, not a crash course...
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
thankx alot for your insight and the journey hint, which reminds me of the most valuable words a singer used IMHO Life's a journey not a destination.
Back to golf, I am absolutely in it. All I am looking for at the moment, and I start to beleive this will be enduring, is hitting good shots, which means first of all having good contact, crisp striking. The scores will be what they will be, I am not worried this time anymore. That reminds me of this other thing I read some years ago, maybe it was from Jack Nicklaus or Arnie, not sure anymore: I play golf and count only the good strokes no score at all, so everytime I hit a course I want to make more good shots. The first time he did this kind of counting he said he hit 12 or 13 good shots, with some remark by a commentator, that it was still a 69 or so.
I am into it, and want to foster my first enlightings
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