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12 piece bucket 08-05-2005 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevermind
birdie_man Except for maybe two frames, his shaft never even looks onplane to me, although the camera angle might be to blame.

Could this be due to how far away he stands from the ball?

nevermind 08-05-2005 10:13 PM

sure. If the definition of being onplane changes the flatter the plane angle gets :roll:

Matt 08-05-2005 10:21 PM

Double shift.

Mathew 08-05-2005 10:46 PM

I agree Matt - definately a double shift....

birdie_man 08-05-2005 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevermind
birdie_man I must be getting tired, how can you tell he is using the TSP? Did you learn that from a different sequence, taken from a better angle? I've drawn the TSP onto this one, with this camera angle, and Moe's shaft is nowhere near the TSP on the way down. Except for maybe two frames, his shaft never even looks onplane to me, although the camera angle might be to blame.

Mathew could we see Moe's first tripod drawn over him at impact, just to see how much his head and ankle have moved? Thanks for the sequence :D Get rid of the Bob and add a right foot anchor and you would have a tripod that didn't change in size like Moe's has, right?

Oops...it must be me who is getting tired.

I drew no lines...only looked at it and eyeballed it. Thanks for the correction...I wouldn't want to be "preaching anything but the truth."

-Paul

Noryang 08-06-2005 05:49 PM

Re: Maintaining The Tripod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Mathew, I'd appreciate it if you would draw some Triangles (on the Front View sequence) to illustrate the Tripod Concept at Address, Top, Impact and Follow-Through.

Technically, isn't that a bipod? A tripod would have three legs, ala the aliens from War of the Worlds.

12 piece bucket 08-06-2005 10:24 PM

Re: Maintaining The Tripod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noryang
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Mathew, I'd appreciate it if you would draw some Triangles (on the Front View sequence) to illustrate the Tripod Concept at Address, Top, Impact and Follow-Through.

Technically, isn't that a bipod? A tripod would have three legs, ala the aliens from War of the Worlds.

Who's to say Mo didn't have a 3rd leg?

Mathew 08-07-2005 06:31 AM

The onplane right forearm....
 
Do you want to know what is really funny is that Jack Kuykendall (early founder of right way golf which later turned out to be natural golf) patented, (yes patented) putting "the club in the lifeline" and called it his greatest discovery despite this concept being invented well before him. I do not know whether Homer was the first to write it, but he sure as anything wrote it in TGM. The SA'ers (which really means they try to play with an online right forearm over there, just a pity they dont know what to do with it) in their forum and think this is theirs, a little piece of their turf which is solely theirs and that we are trying to muster into, but nothing but the facts have to come out due to the fact there is a printing date and Homer Kelley wrote it before all these incomplete and faulty methods came about and Moe Norman exemplified Homers onplane right forearm perfectly.

Per 10-2-0 - "Usually the only real difference between the Right and Left Hand Grip is that the clubshaft lies under the heel of the Left Hand but it (or the left thumb) lies in the cup of the Right Hand."

Per 10-9-A - " The standard Address position condition of the Wrists - Left) Bend/Level/Vertical, Right Flat/Level/Vertical"

So we're gripping the club in the cup of the right hand in a level condition which it stays in the entire stroke (per flying wedges). "Level" per 4-B-1 is where the wrist-bone and the edge of the hand forms a straight line just for anyone which is unsure..... Not to mention we place the right arm on the plane - hence an onplane right forearm :roll:

Now the copyright date on my book has 1982 (and there were 5 editions before this dating back to 1969 which I don't have so probably earlier) on it and since that was the year I was born its very easy for me to know thats 23 years ago and long before these silly SA methods came to be.

bbftx 08-08-2005 09:21 AM

http://www.scigolf.com/scigolf/myths/mechanics.htm

Kuykendall's description of Moe sequence. Includes stills and animation.

Mathew 08-08-2005 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbftx
http://www.scigolf.com/scigolf/myths/mechanics.htm

Kuykendall's description of Moe sequence. Includes stills and animation.

Jack Kuykendall is a MORON !

Usually I would just say I don't agree with someone and leave it at that but he describes everything else (including TGM yet steals from it - the onplane right forearm and calls it his discovery) with a disgusting tone so I thought I would return and be to him what he's like to others.

I have no sympathy for a man that steals, discredits and basically acts with indignity (which is very prevalent with the tone on his website). He also doesn't know what he is talking about...his analysis is very imprecise also....

Hes even got a bit on his website "why the majority of TGM is incorrect" ... TGM is accurate - his 'soundbite' purile marketing ploys of stupid mechanics are not....

I personally would like to see this reply here and the one I quoted deleted ... but if they have to stay then I want to say my piece....

Mathew


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