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Mike O 11-01-2006 11:32 AM

KOC- Clip
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KOC
He mentioned Homer, Chuck and Ben

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXhNHb1kv_A

KOC,
Thanks for the clip- nice and convenient viewing.

One thought on Load, Store, Dump.

In regards to Accumulators you might A) Load them, B) Store the energy until the selected time comes that you want to begin to C) release that energy into the ball (dump).

But you need to:

A) understand how to store that energy- constant clubhead lag pressure. And probably understand what the Power Storage Problems can be- a few are listed in 6-D.

Load, Store, Dump- would be more of a mechanical description of the Accumulators (6-B-0)- and could be on a procedural level a terrible thought- because in regards to clubhead feel and lag pressure - from say the A)Top (Load) until B)Release and C)through impact, the procedural key would be A) Top-Load, Release-Maintain the load, through Impact- Maintain the Load. Procedurally you better not be dumping anything.

Likewise in that regard- storing isn't just stopping the BB ball from going to the other end of the shaft- storage includes the load- so if you just retain the angle and lost the load- you haven't stored the power.

Nothing against Martin- On the Golf Channel you've got a limited amount of time and the pressure of the lights- and Ben may elaborate the concept more in person, but the real issue in my mind is - "Did you catch it?- Meaning did you see how something might be mis-interpreted and did you share it with your other forum members so they might gain something"- and I'm not just referring to this clip but as an on-going policy."

Finally, And unrelated to Martin Hall's discussion as I didn't see the segment - my advice if someone were to discuss TGM on the Golf Channel or anywhere for that matter- would be to limit your area of discussion to a very specific item- and then elaborate on that item in great detail and relating that specific item to all the different areas and issues that it involves. Much more powerful, thought provoking than skimming over alot of different concepts. Such as "here's the importance of a flat left wrist"- First let's define it and what it is not, why is it important, when can it not be flat?, how do you keep it flat?, etc, etc.

12 piece bucket 11-01-2006 11:52 AM

Taking the Dump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O
KOC,
Thanks for the clip- nice and convenient viewing.

One thought on Load, Store, Dump.

In regards to Accumulators you might A) Load them, B) Store the energy until the selected time comes that you want to begin to C) release that energy into the ball (dump).

But you need to:

A) understand how to store that energy- constant clubhead lag pressure. And probably understand what the Power Storage Problems can be- a few are listed in 6-D.

Load, Store, Dump- would be more of a mechanical description of the Accumulators (6-B-0)- and could be on a procedural level a terrible thought- because in regards to clubhead feel and lag pressure - from say the A)Top (Load) until B)Release and C)through impact, the procedural key would be A) Top-Load, Release-Maintain the load, through Impact- Maintain the Load. Procedurally you better not be dumping anything.

Likewise in that regard- storing isn't just stopping the BB ball from going to the other end of the shaft- storage includes the load- so if you just retain the angle and lost the load- you haven't stored the power.

Nothing against Martin- On the Golf Channel you've got a limited amount of time and the pressure of the lights- and Ben may elaborate the concept more in person, but the real issue in my mind is - "Did you catch it?- Meaning did you see how something might be mis-interpreted and did you share it with your other forum members so they might gain something"- and I'm not just referring to this clip but as an on-going policy."

Finally, And unrelated to Martin Hall's discussion as I didn't see the segment - my advice if someone were to discuss TGM on the Golf Channel or anywhere for that matter- would be to limit your area of discussion to a very specific item- and then elaborate on that item in great detail and relating that specific item to all the different areas and issues that it involves. Much more powerful, thought provoking than skimming over alot of different concepts. Such as "here's the importance of a flat left wrist"- First let's define it and what it is not, why is it important, when can it not be flat?, how do you keep it flat?, etc, etc.

Mikey . . . This is a FANTASTIC post! You have nailed it my demented mongoloidian friend.

You are one smart cookie even if the choclate nuggets are actually x-lax.

Dumping (no pun intended) would certainly give the impression of losing the loaded pressure point pressure. Very nice post for a wackjob.

do you think that sustaining the load contributes to the ability to maintain a flat left wrist as well?

glcoach 11-01-2006 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket


do you think that sustaining the load contributes to the ability to maintain a flat left wrist as well?

I do 12P, to me the longer you can store the easier it is to have a flat left wrist at impact as well as the finish swivel. JMO, of course.

Yoda 11-01-2006 11:58 AM

Release Accumulator Lag (Not Clubhead Lag)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O

One thought on Load, Store, Dump.

In regards to Accumulators you might A) Load them, B) Store the energy until the selected time comes that you want to begin to C) release that energy into the ball (dump).

But...

...Load, Store, Dump- would be more of a mechanical description of the Accumulators (6-B-0)- and could be on a procedural level a terrible thought- because in regards to clubhead feel and lag pressure - from say the A)Top (Load) until B)Release and C)through impact, the procedural key would be A) Top-Load, Release-Maintain the load, through Impact- Maintain the Load. Procedurally you better not be dumping anything.

Mike O is right on here. The Power Package Loading Action (Component #22) and the Power Package Release ("Unloading Action" / Component #24) specifically deal with the Loading and Unloading of Accumulator Lag.

In contrast, the Clubhead Lag and its resultant Pressure Point Pressure is never "Released" or "Unloaded" (6-B-0). That is because such Action would result in a Power Loss, not a Power Gain (6-B-0).

lagster 11-01-2006 12:16 PM

Ball Position
 
As I understand this... the description of BALL POSITION given on the clip as related to Hooking and Slicing, would mainly be true for TRUE SWINGERS. THERE IS ONE POINT FOR THEM WHERE THE CLUB IS SQUARE. They move the ball UP to Draw, and BACK to Fade.

Many people, however, are HANDS MANIPULATED SWINGERS,which is not a bad thing. They usually move the ball BACK a little to DRAW.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

KOC 11-01-2006 12:28 PM

My pleasure
 
I got more than i gave!

I still have that kind of video, how about Chuck Cook, GSED talking about right shoulder on TGC?

Mike O 11-01-2006 12:36 PM

Flat Left Wrist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
do you think that sustaining the load contributes to the ability to maintain a flat left wrist as well?

I've deleted all positive comments from your post- quite frankly it scares me and makes me nervous! However, to your question- I'm assuming you know the answer- absolutely you can't lose lag pressure and have a flat left wrist in a full swing.

Mike O 11-01-2006 12:40 PM

true swinging
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lagster
As I understand this... the description of BALL POSITION given on the clip as related to Hooking and Slicing, would mainly be true for TRUE SWINGERS. THERE IS ONE POINT FOR THEM WHERE THE CLUB IS SQUARE. They move the ball UP to Draw, and BACK to Fade.

Many people, however, are HANDS MANIPULATED SWINGERS,which is not a bad thing. They usually move the ball BACK a little to DRAW.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

That's right lagster- true swingers move the ball around without taking their hands off of the grip - to manuever the ball. Manipulated swingers would move the ball back for drawing, set the clubface say still facing the initial ball flight direction, then take their grip flv- essentially having a stronger grip-(that's why it's called "rotate the grip") then it's up to the golfer if they want to retain the square stance/body or adjust it to be closed so that their "powerpackage" has the same feel in relation to the body that they have for a straight shot.

kebeal 11-14-2006 10:54 PM

Links
 
For those of you who have not seen this segment it is on youtube:

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44fev4wqC6U

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE_2-...elated&search=

KOC 04-03-2007 10:44 AM

Morgan Pressel
 
Morgan Pressel might not know the book. But Martin knows, Yoda knows and i know too.:laughing9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRTqx4tW3mQ


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