Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 39042)

I agree with your conclusion regarding the right shoulder, glcoach. But you do yourself an injustice when you state it is merely your "opinion." In truth, it is an anatomical fact: You simply cannot lift your arm (except the forearm from the elbow) without using your shoulder muscles.

From 2-M-3 (Muscles): "Deltoids -- they raise the arms..."

The Right Shoulder is a Dual Agent (2-H): It is part of both the Pivot and the Power Package (the Triangle of the Shoulders, Arms and Club). As such, it must participate in the Start Up. My post did not disparage the Pivot or those who focus on it. In fact, it made the point that the Pivot and the Right Arm are both important and that they coordinate in the Takeaway.

Regarding 'appreciating the other side,' I am on the side of The Golfing Machine -- that covers a lot of territory! -- and I make no bones about it. That is my privilege. If someone else believes otherwise and teaches otherwise and does otherwise, well...that is their privilege. And it doesn't bother me in the least.

However, the remark in question -- "RFT=Can't play a lick" -- goes far beyond such philosophical differences. It is a flippant judgment that is both condescending and contentious. When these words come in private conversation or as forum banter between self-styled cyber-warriors, it is one thing. But, it is quite another when they come as a public pronouncement from an Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine, one who holds its highest designation (GSED) and who is bound to uphold its principles and support his fellow Authorized Instructors.

Despite this particular Instructor's damning assessment, many Authorized Instructors believe otherwise -- that is their privilege -- and they do teach 'the book,' including its Right Arm Takeaway. To ridicule them and their teaching -- "RFT=can't play a lick" -- is in direct violation of the Professional and Ethical Conduct clauses of the Authorized Instructor agreement, one which this particular individual signed and is thus bound to honor. Point of fact: To make "disparaging, demeaning, or degrading comments about fellow Authorized Instructors" is deemed conduct "unworthy or unbecoming of an Authorized Instructor."

Now, I personally am no longer an Authorized Instructor. So why should I care? Three reasons:

1. Most of the many Professional Contributors to this site are Authorized Instructors, and most, if not all, teach the Right Arm Takeaway as described in The Golfing Machine. To demean their teaching demeans them. I don't appreciate it, and quite frankly, I don't think they do, either.

2. Homer Kelley worked indefatiguably for more than forty years to benefit all golfdom. His earnest conclusions deserve respect, even if it is respectful disagreement. I bridle when his genius is made the subject of arrogant ridicule, especially when it comes from within.

3. Somebody needs to point out this professional misconduct, and it might as well be me. :)

Bottom line:

It is not the point of view I find so offensive...

It is the attitude.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 39044)

Well said. And one further point . . . this particular GSED said that the 7th had too much emphasis on the Right Forearm Takeway. The book was completed on Mr. Kelley's notes. The implication being that Mr. Kelley REALLY wouldn't have put that in if he were still with us. Totally and utterly ridiculous. The Magic of the Right Forearm appears first in the 6th Edition NOT the 7th. The text of the 6th was COMPLETELY Homer Kelley's . . . not any notes that some seem to think are dubious or just Mr. Kelley's mental wanderings.

Ironically enough these are the same class acts that once said the same notes were bogus before the 7th was released. After highlighting each and every note from the "mystery Word file," the changes were VERBATIM.

But people can teach what they like . . . pivot takes the club back best and the clubhead rotates around the hosel. But that ain't no Golfing Machine.

And . . .this ain't one camp vs. the other. This is about somebody going totally and utterly off the reservation and speaking for Homer Kelley. And to justify the comments as being "just NOTES" . . . sorry Charlie . . . it was in the 6th.

7-3 6th Edition:

Furthermore, in compliance with 6-B-3-0-1, Bending and Straightening the Right Elbow will RAISE AND LOWER the Left Arm and/or COCK AND UNCOCK the Left Wrist with out Bending, Flattening or Cocking the Right Wrist. Practice this first at Impact Fix. So, the Right Elbow Action either powers and/or controls all three elements of Three Dimensional Impact (6-C-0) per 1-L-9. All this you will come to know as the MAGIC OF THE RIGH FOREARM.

Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 39046)

Hey Lynn,

Didn't Brian Gay move up approximately 100 places -- to 12th -- in the Scoring Average list on the PGA tour and didn't he also attribute alot of his success in knowing how to use his right forearm properly?

Oh yeah, but he 'can't play a lick'...lol

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 39049)

Brian Gay's exact quote from our Windemere video is:

"The right forearm made all the difference."

BTW, he shot 65 in today's first round at the PGA TOUR's Mayakoba Golf Classic and is in 6th place.

Oh, and the Right Forearm thing worked pretty well for Meghna Bal Sunday a week ago at the All India Ladies Amateur. At age 17, she is now National Champion.

And earlier this month, Jeff Hull, LBG Senior Instructor, shot even-par 288 in the cold and wind and finished solo 3rd (in a field of 240) at the PGA of America's Winter Series Stroke Play Championship.

Certainly, the Right Forearm Takeaway is not the only way, but at the very least, it does seem to be an acceptable my way.

:)

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 39042)

Now, I personally am no longer an Authorized Instructor.

Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 39043)

There is no opinion, there is no style, only facts. The right forearm has to move 3 dimensionally in accordance to the secondary lever assembly motion on the inclined plane in order to have the clubhead traveling in a consistant orbit. If you set the mass or weight of the clubhead off in an incorrect orbit initially, you will be working against the physics of gyroscopic motion requiring compensation later in the backstroke.

Originally Posted by 8cork (Post 39052)

Some very useful information in this thread, I have been using the RFT and love its simplicity. When I drop the forearm down the plane and into the ball I hit it very solid, but the shots are high with a fade, sometimes more of a cut. In reference to my question in the thread start, should I be feeling a closing the door sensation through the ball, the opposite of the fan in the begining? I think that may help close my clubface.