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Jeff 04-16-2008 11:19 AM

Mathew

I cannot understand your contrary opinion. It seems to contradict basic TGM teaching as expressed by 12 piece bucket. Are you really claiming that the right wrist should upcock during the backswing?

Jeff.

rwh 04-16-2008 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by plgolfer (Post 51576)
Did you not mean "the Right Arm bends gradually as the Left arm goes from Address to the Top of the Backstroke"

You are correct, plgolfer! Sorry for any confusion.

phimaynard 04-16-2008 04:41 PM

Flying wedges post
 
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Originally Posted by okie (Post 51549)
Just ambling through and stumbled on this...are these pictures still out there somewhere?

Hi Okie
I still have the post and the pictures http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/i...ons/icon12.gif. Do you want me to send a private message ?
Phil

12 piece bucket 04-16-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 51990)
I have a bone to pick with this post because what your actually saying with this idea of a constant degree of wristbend is impossible with anything other than shots preformed with angled hinging with no usage of the acc. no 2 or 3 (basic motion). I completely disagree with your interpretation of the right flying wedge.

I do realise that short shots is what is being addressed but have seen you say this before many times where this is not applicable.

The myth of constant degree of wristbend - Lets just take the swinging procedure for these examples ok - The right hand is turned towards the inclined plane. Now a constant degree of wristbend is impossible because the right arm is bending.

This picture I created a while back will help illustrate this...



The myth of the level right wrist. How the right flying wedge really works is that when the right hand turns towards the plane on the backstroke - what was wristbend becomes wristcock and the right forearm is aligned to making its motion directly opposed to the inclined plane with a direct relationship with the clubhead. If you turn the right hand and maintain a level right wrist - you have infact destroyed the right flying wedge... infact what your saying is actually a bit silly.

What your saying is that you think the forearm would point along this line...



You have still have alot to learn.....:laughing1

When is the right forearm on plane? Is it on plane with all the plane angles?

neil 04-16-2008 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 51990)
I have a bone to pick with this post because what your actually saying with this idea of a constant degree of wristbend is impossible with anything other than shots preformed with angled hinging with no usage of the acc. no 2 or 3 (basic motion). I completely disagree with your interpretation of the right flying wedge.

I do realise that short shots is what is being addressed but have seen you say this before many times where this is not applicable.

The myth of constant degree of wristbend - Lets just take the swinging procedure for these examples ok - The right hand is turned towards the inclined plane. Now a constant degree of wristbend is impossible because the right arm is bending.

This picture I created a while back will help illustrate this...



The myth of the level right wrist. How the right flying wedge really works is that when the right hand turns towards the plane on the backstroke - what was wristbend becomes wristcock and the right forearm is aligned to making its motion directly opposed to the inclined plane with a direct relationship with the clubhead. If you turn the right hand and maintain a level right wrist - you have infact destroyed the right flying wedge... infact what your saying is actually a bit silly.

What your saying is that you think the forearm would point along this line...



You have still have alot to learn.....:laughing1

I really don't get any of this--in relation to my understanding [or not] of TGM:crybaby:

Mathew 04-16-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 52001)
When is the right forearm on plane? Is it on plane with all the plane angles?

Ideally the right forearm will be on the inclined plane at impact.....

Ideally the right forearm will be directly opposed (vertical to) another plane hitting/swinging per 7-3....

Bagger Lance 04-16-2008 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 52003)
Ideally the right forearm will be on the inclined plane at impact.....

Ideally the right forearm will be directly opposed (vertical to) another plane hitting/swinging per 7-3....

Is it safe to say based on your model, that a "level" right wrist is mandatory in order to keep the right forearm wedge intact, but the right wrist bend is variable based on grip type, procedure, etc. Don't confuse right wrist cock with right elbow bend/cock?

joe curtis 04-17-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 52005)
Is it safe to say based on your model, that a "level" right wrist is mandatory in order to keep the right forearm wedge intact, but the right wrist bend is variable based on grip type, procedure, etc. Don't confuse right wrist cock with right elbow bend/cock?

bagger, were you in slidell with the group? if so, what did the three d show on right wrist cock?

Mathew 04-18-2008 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 52005)
Is it safe to say based on your model, that a "level" right wrist is mandatory in order to keep the right forearm wedge intact, but the right wrist bend is variable based on grip type, procedure, etc. Don't confuse right wrist cock with right elbow bend/cock?

No what I am saying is that both the right wrist bend and the right wristcock actually changes also... however the right flying wedge remains constant with the wrist conditions dynamically changing whilst the right forearm moves vertically to the plane which it is opposing.

What Bucket was saying in his post is actually impossible - its not 'my model'!

I do not confuse anything - people that understand my post will understand why what Bucket said is impossible....

gmoney_69 04-18-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 52022)
No what I am saying is that both the right wrist bend and the right wristcock actually changes also... however the right flying wedge remains constant with the wrist conditions dynamically changing whilst the right forearm moves vertically to the plane which it is opposing.

In a single action grip, such as 10-2-B, once the wedges have been established the right wrist bend does not change, that's why it's single action. In a double, triple or quadruple it will change. Those are the four actions of the grip: horizontal and perpendicular of each hand.

If the right wrist cocks, the right forearm flying wedge, as defined by Homer Kelley, will be destroyed. The right wedge is an inline condition of clubshaft, right wrist and forearm. The key to keeping them inline is the level right wrist.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 52022)
What Bucket was saying in his post is actually impossible - its not 'my model'!

I do not confuse anything - people that understand my post will understand why what Bucket said is impossible....

What Bucket said is not impossible, it is the ideal per 6-B-3-0-1 and 7-3.


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