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Yoda 02-09-2005 11:30 AM

The Cocked Right Elbow And The Bent Right Wrist
 
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke

I want you to go to 4-B-1 in the book and mimic the picture, with one exception. I want you to point your thumbs straight out and away from you when doing this. Now, bend ONLY your right elbow. This should make the right thumb point skyward. Finally, without bending the left elbow, make the left wrist cock so that the thumbs match the direction they're pointing. This is a demonstration of the text found at the bottom of the page in 7-3 (the bending and straightening of the right elbow cocking and uncocking the left wrist). Therefore, the #1 accumulator uncocks the left wrist. I, personally, have no awareness of the #2 pressure point being active other than its orginal pressure established in the grip.

The idea that the Cocking Right Elbow Cocks and Uncocks the Hitter's Left Wrist is tough for many to grasp. The same is true of the fact that the Right Wrist only Bends (Horizontal Grip Motion 4-0/4-A) and does not Cock or Uncock (Vertical Wrist Motion 4-0/4-B). Luke's exercise is a 'must' for those players wishing to understand these radically unconventional -- but dynamically correct -- concepts.

Do it first as Luke suggested -- Hands apart per Photo 4-B-1 -- and then Hands together, with the Left Hand Thumb being gripped with the last two fingers of the Right Hand.

JohnThomas1 02-10-2005 06:28 AM

Ahhhhh
 
Thanks all, there was just something in there i could not get my head around. Nice defogging exercise too.

John

MizunoJoe 02-10-2005 09:04 AM

YodasLuke wrote, "But, I'm very concerned about Mizunojoe or anyone else that's attempting to use horizontal hinging with hitting. The results can be a DISASTER."

Homer's comments in 10-19-0 make it clear that HH in a Hitting Procedure is perfectly valid, providing the user has sufficient skill in clubface manipulation. On rare occasions, I've hit the back of the ball instead of the inside, but that's hardly a disaster.

YodasLuke 02-10-2005 11:12 AM

Hitting and horizontal hinging
 
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
YodasLuke wrote, "But, I'm very concerned about Mizunojoe or anyone else that's attempting to use horizontal hinging with hitting. The results can be a DISASTER."

Homer's comments in 10-19-0 make it clear that HH in a Hitting Procedure is perfectly valid, providing the user has sufficient skill in clubface manipulation. On rare occasions, I've hit the back of the ball instead of the inside, but that's hardly a disaster.

My concern in Homers words in 10-19-0 is "with reservations."
Manipulation = something unnatural or a deviation from it's normal application.
I've never wanted to be the master of manipulation in my own stroke pattern. I've always wanted to be the master of simplicity. I'm simply presenting the motion in it's truest, unmanipulated form. I'm not saying it's impossible, just harder.
Homer also said in 1-K that "apparently there is no factor-including Clubhead Throwaway- that cannot, by proper assembly, adjustment, alignment, etc. be worked into a fairly effective Stroke Pattern for some application or other."
The words that I see as most impotant are "FAIRLY" and "some application."
Do I teach clubhead throwaway?
Not if I have other options.

MizunoJoe 02-10-2005 12:06 PM

YL,

Using your definition, "Manipulation = something unnatural or a deviation from it's normal application.", it strikes me that Hitting is a manipulation because a natural law, The Law of The Flail, is present in every stroke until preempted by thrust.

That aside, are you actually equivalencing by inference, teaching clubhead throwaway and teaching Hor Hinge Hitting? The one cannot produce an effectively struck golf ball, while the other most certainly can and does.

YodasLuke 02-11-2005 02:10 AM

Horizontal hinge hitting - not 4 ME
 
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
YL,

Using your definition, "Manipulation = something unnatural or a deviation from it's normal application.", it strikes me that Hitting is a manipulation because a natural law, The Law of The Flail, is present in every stroke until preempted by thrust.

That aside, are you actually equivalencing by inference, teaching clubhead throwaway and teaching Hor Hinge Hitting? The one cannot produce an effectively struck golf ball, while the other most certainly can and does.

"My way" IS NOT "The way." I don't expect any of my students to do it exactly the way I do it. Additionally, I have no doubt that you can create some sort of effective stroke pattern (that I'd like to see under the heat of competition) with horizontal hinge hitting. BUT, when Homer Kelley (genius) says that the driving force of the right arm "creates angled hinging," I will not attempt to re-invent the (paddle) wheel.

I just played with one of my Tour Players today at Big Horn in Palm Springs. I could have employed a horizontal hinge action with my hitting and spent all day in the cacti and rattle snakes. Or, I could take the 70 :shock: that I shot (74.8 course rating/141 slope rating & first time seeing the course) using angled hinging. I'm simply telling you my perspective from my own personal experience and success.

Yoda 02-11-2005 02:24 AM

The Smoke
 
Luke's the Real Deal, guys.

Always had the talent.

Always had the drive.

But until last year...

Never had the Information and Alignments.

Now he's got all three.

Watch his smoke!

JohnThomas1 02-11-2005 03:11 AM

Man i would LOVE to see this guy HIT!!!! Sounds like the near perfect hitting stroke per chapter 12.

John

Yoda 02-11-2005 03:36 AM

Coming Soon To A Computer Screen Near You!
 
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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1
Man i would LOVE to see this guy HIT!!!! Sounds like the near perfect hitting stroke per chapter 12.

You won't have to wait much longer, John.

Luke the Nuke will be on your screen before you know it.

And he will tell you exactly how to build your own Golfing Machine.

Stay tuned!

Anonymous 02-11-2005 07:48 AM

Interesting that Homer's Third Edition 3 accumulator stroke pattern had these components....punch basic right arm motion, standard wrist action, right arm throw, and horizontal hinging.

DG


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