Could it be that the unskilled player simply starts down and stays on the red Plane while Hogan shifts to the green?

Time to give it a rest.

I need a week off from this. I need to find a new approach to the problem.

See you all next week.

Thanks for all of your help, it's greatly appreciated.

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Is the green line in the model on the left... the path of the HANDS? The guy on the right looks like he might be one of the TURNING SHOULDER VERSIONS?

Porch Light Time For Daryl
 

Thank you, Daryl, for all of your posts these past few weeks. I have read every one, and in addition to the brainpower evident in each, your passion for TGM oozes from every sentence.

Great stuff!

Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend, but hurry back. I'm already having withdrawal symptoms, and I swear I can hear Neil walking the floor!

I think we have been talking about two different things -Iknow I have.My point is that whatever plane you are on whether you shift or not -the hands trace the planeline.And the left arm is not on that inclined plane for most of the stroke.Have a good weekend -Especially Daryl:book:

I'm confused Lagster,the hands are on the green line-no?:think:

But doesn't the shoulder rotation mean that one creates the other?.If I take a dowel in my left hand and grip it halfway down ,take it to the top ,cock my wrist- I am on plane.If I then bend my wrist this does not move the dowel "off plane"-it just rotates.Thats why I stated that whilst the plane of the left wristcock is not the inclined plane ,the hands and the clubshaft are the plane but the left arm,depending on which point in the swing -(but Daryl did say at the top)-is not on plane.:BangHead:

In a correct swing, should they share a common plane line?

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That's what it looks like to me. In the picture of the robot-man... the hands appear to be on the green line, and the clubhead and shaft on the red line. The green line is pointing well inside the baseline of the inclined plane.

I was refering to the Hogan picture.The Robot man picture is mis leading because the green line represents -what?.The picture of robot man on the right is IMO NOT unskilled in terms of the hands and clubshaft being on plane.In the left hand graphic the view seems to be from in front of the line and I believe the the green line is meant to be the path of the hands which,if you were to rotate so you were looking down the line would lie on the red line.If anyone is saying that the hands can be on one plane and the clubshaft on another,then they are mistaken.