Not even close. Just look at the plane of the club shaft as it starts moving down.

At :55 the shaft isn't starting down and the entire LFW including the left shoulder is dead on plane. I guess a nitpicker's "never" isn't as precise as might be expected. :naughty:

FYI - that link doesn't take me to a golf swing. Not starting down? Please tell me you didn't change the context of your discussion again!

Be my guest.

But I was talking about the forward motion, MizunoJoe. And so were you, btw.

He crosses the line at the top, but even then, at 1:06 that's close enough to on-plane to make the point that it moves substantially more off plane at the onset of Throwout, which is the important point and the one which you two are dancing around. Had he stopped his BS at :55 with the shaft parallel to the plane line and started down, what would your evasive dance step be?

As for not seeing a golf swing at that link, you might ask your dance partner how he managed to see it. :laughing9

maybe you could find the exact youtube address, so we could see what you are talking about.

Here's a link that works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZpj2ygx00

Instead of not responding - I'd like to say Joe - as I predicted - for me - you're a tough guy to communciate with - zI'm sure you've been around the game a long time and have a great deal of golf knowledge - wish you the best.