Jodie Mudd - Stroke Sequence
 

I dunno how he sets up like that.

annikan can you give a description of the beneift of that setup with the low hands

Yes...

I could....

But....

Typing it out on a forum would not do it justice!!!

It would probably just get "diced up"...because of it's so-called "unorthodoxy" from TGM...

It would need to be demonstrated and explained....

Clue....

Lowered hands and raised hands greatly affect the size of the pulley and the size of the orbit of the clubhead....for backstroke, downstroke, and upstroke. Thus stabilizing the "center of gravity" of the machine....

Study 10-6-E, 10-7-B/C, 10-13-C, 10-14-C, for backstroke only!!!!

Check these out!!!

.....#5-#14 from Past thread on Full Sweep Loading might help???

Gentlemen,
Great correspondence!!! May I.... contribute perhaps some food for thought? There are many advantages to a "Full Sweep" Loading Action
1. It's easy to Trace the plane Line with the Sweetspot Plane with #3PP
2. It's easy to establish the L/R Wrist Alignments - early on
3. It's easiy to monitor the Fanning Motion of the Right Forearm
4. It's easy to monitor the Start-Up swivel for Standard Wrist Action
5. It's easy to move an"Effectively Lighter Clubhead Mass"up the plane
6. It helps maintain a more "Centered" motion of head, eyes, + ears
7. It helps maintained a more uniform pivot of the hips - Less Slide in Backstroke Arc.
8. It helps stabilize the Center of Gravity for the motion about the lower axis
9. It helps provide a Backstroke Arc that is more closely related to the downstroke Arc--Keeps the pulley sizes more closely a like.
10.Keeps the Hand speed at a more managable pace through Start-Up
11 Keeps the arc of the right elbow at a more uniform radius to the ribcage or Torso for Pitch Basic.
12. Helps keep the circumference of the Shoulder Turn more uniform aroung the upper axis located at the spine between the shoulders
13. It helps to maintain a stable radius for the knees and ankles
14. It helps control the amount of loading action for both float loading and drag loading - (7-22) "The amount of loading can be controlled by the SPEED of the entire motion, or by the sharpness of the specific procedure, or BOTH - Sergio's change from Downstroke Side with both Float and Drag Loading....The solution... Move toward Full Sweep. I spoke with Bobby Clampett at Kingsmill a couple years back and also played 18 holes with him and one of the component changes was a move away from snap to Full Sweep. Now there is a " Battle tested Machinist"!
15. Easier to control baskstroke length...Ever tried playing the wedge game with a snap loading procedure. Random is probably as close as you can get and still maintain control.
16. Gives you less compensations and components to change when switching from snap loading that persimmon driver that we all still carry in our bags and full-sweeping that X-Stiff D-4 Vokey Design Sand Wedge that has a custom sole configuration that matches both a Digging and/or Sliding style of technique--Versatlity is Mandatory!!!
17. It helps maintain Power Package structure a little easier than its's Big Brother the Snap who if loaded to sharply will collapse the alignments of the Flying Wedges during a Change of Direction if loded to quickly or sharply... Then you got nothing but a "flimpsy" power package structure to "Bunt" the ball aroung the golf course.
18. Theres nothing wrong with keeping the club within one's capacity to monitor the 3 Functions via one's level of proprioception(Feel or Awareness of one's own body in 3 Dimensional Space) ie. Monitoring SKILLS!

Sorry, to be long winded, but all my post are... because I need to learn to say the least to gain the most!!!! Sorry, Michael I still haven't learn that lesson yet!

Personally, I prefer Random Sweep back and down for Hitting and Full Sweep Back and whatever I choose for downstroke for swinging...Chuck and Lynn really opened my eyes to random on downstrke for swinging, It's nice with a wrist throw....Very Nice indeed!!!

Sincerely,

Annikan

What a great phrase- This is TGM. Unlike anything else.


Yeah, I hope this wasn't aimed at me. I never said that- LOL. I love every word you post. Not enough words or posts for me- ever.

Keep them coming.

Sorry, to be long winded, but all my post are... because I need to learn to say the least to gain the most!!!! Sorry, Michael I still haven't learn that lesson yet!

6BMike....

NOT directed at you....

You're one of the "posse"...

It was directed at Michael Hebron who says that I'm "longwinded"

He has always challenged me to reduce the # of words to describe what I'm trying to convey!!!

It's difficult... when you need to meet my daily quota of 4,000 words a day

"Battle-Tested Machinist"....

I like it too...

Does it sound "original"?

Skywalker

Re: Jodie Mudd - Stroke Sequence
 

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Good pictures!!

Right forearm getting on plane in frame #5.

Do you have the face on pictures?

Mudd Snaping at the Open
 

I have video tape of Jodie from the 1991 US Open...Final round 16th tee using snap loading with what I believe is his 12 degree brassie (Taylor Made 12 degree brassie). I believe I got the segment from the golf channels one hour special on the 91 Open....if you get the opportunity to see this special....definitely record it....

DG

Arms
 

In frame #1 the left arm is vertical. In frame #5 the left arm is pointing to the ball.

Mudd Quote
 

Here is an interesting quote from Jodie Mudd...

"I started working with Tom Tomasello on The Golfing Machine in March 1984. At the time, I was in danger of losing my tour card. I finished the year qualifying in 15 of the last 17 events and climbed from 250 to 35 on the money list".

Sounds like Jodie got it....I guess some students do and some don't...as in all things in life.

DG

And tons of natural talent too.

From the sequence- it looks like the hand drop and pivot weight shift moved togther.

Look a little closer(the hips should respond to the action of the right forearm...make that the magic of the right forearm....then review the WHOLE Tomaello Australia video series)....second, no torquing action in the lower body...

DG

The WHOLE Tomaello Australia video series??? I have seen it enough times.

DG- I do not see a hip reaction to his forearm moving, I do see a beautiful swing with the lower body starting first.

torquing action ???

I'm sorry it's an Illusion (please take that comment as an opportunity to learn...not an opportunity for resentment)!!! Watch the upcoming the Tomasello video, Tommy talks about illusions (another opportunity for learning)...Homer also mentions illusions! Facts vs. Illusions.

Fact- Right Arm acceleration really does produce a beautiful swing contrary to what some golfers believe. Just pick-up Mark Evershed's "Knowledge" video and you will see some more excellent right arm accelerated swings. At full speed, it takes a trained eye to tell the difference between an arm versus a lower body (transfer of momentum) type swing.


DG

Fact and Illusions
 

Actually Jodie Mudd used the "Shoulder Turn Throw" trigger 10-20-C to start the club down...not the lower body. One of several triggers in 10-20 to start the downstroke sequence.

DG

Wow, have you been researching that for over 4 years? :study:

Kevin

But a Release Trigger is a thing that Triggers Release not Startdown, by definition, no?

After moving the weight to the left and initiating the Pivot Train's ground up sequential firing the shoulders (the right shoulder) eventually bring the arms and with them the club down plane. Startdown in a club sense but preceded by all of the components ahead of it in the Pivot Train.

Now if you are talking about the Pivot Train as being an anticipatory deal then that is a different matter. No pro actually leads with the right arm on a full swing anyways. That would zero out the Pivot Lag, like a one armed lobster playing golf.

Hmmmm....Kenny Perry's swinging pattern utilizes the right arm!!! In TGM per 10-3-D in the 7th edition...Last sentence in 10-3-D, "When used with a Major Basic Stroke, it can produce Full Power". 4 Barrel Swinging...the muscles of both forearms per 6-B-2-0.

I agree Kenny Perry does use his right arm. He's a Hitter to my eye anyways. But I dont need to look at his swing video to see if he leads with his right arm on a Major Basic Stroke. He hits it way to far for that Radius reduced procedure. For a Minor Basic Stroke it is one way, Hitting Chipping say with, Push Basic or whatever, a one Accumulator Stroke.

You've heard all this before Im sure, but..... 12-3 omitted Zone 1 as it assumed the Hands to control the Pivot but that didnt imply anything contrary to 6-M-1 DOWNSTROKE SEQUENCE which quite clearly states:

"Feet, or the employed component nearest to the feet, in the following order: Knees, Hips, Shoulders, Arms, Right Elbow, Left Wrist Cock and/or Left Hand Rotation."

If that isnt enough see: 7-17. FOOT ACTION. " Halting the Backstroke motion with the Feet and letting this same tension pull the Downstroke Through Impact is "Swinging from the Feet" and gives the stroke maximum Swing Radius."

DG, Ive heard some people talk about starting with the arms or an arm. Tiger for instance a few years back talked about correcting his getting stuck thing by feeling like he started down with the arms, but that was just a feel. Fixing a Zone 1 problem with a Zone 2 component is maybe one reason why he changed coaches, maybe. I dunno. My point is while there are people who have said such things, but I dont think they actually meant to literally do that. They assumed you'd start with something further down. That is the way we humans tend to move at speed anyways.

But like I said above if you are saying that; thinking about the arm or hands forward motion will cause the lower body to move first sequentially in an anticipatory manner say........then that is a different kettle of fish.

I can execute a 10-20-C Trigger to trigger the downstroke and execute exactly what you quoted from 7-17, I can still feel the tension that Homer is talking about. Doesn't mean the feet are starting the downstroke.

Do your Hips slide left before your bring your Shoulders down?