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What is your prefered Golfing Machine Swing Model?
After finished watching Paul Hart's Preferred Golfing Machine Swing Model. It's worth a look for all those who have had exposure to TGM.
After 26 years involvement with Homer Kelley's work, Paul Hart (G.S.E.D) shows us his preferred Golfing Machine Swing Model, in the process revealing what he believes to be "the secret of Golf". If interested, the presentation can be found at : -http://www.************/TGM_downloads.htm- IMO, the prefered swing pattern of the "expert" G.S.E.D like Yoda and Paul Hart will lead us to the right path. For brightening up my path more, may I ask about yours pattern. What is your prefered combination pattern? (Only the components below.) 3. Basic Stroke-_____ 4. Stroke Variations- _____ 10. Hinge Action-_____ 11. Pressure Ponit Combination- _____ 18. Wrist Action-_____ 19. Lag Loading- _____ 20. Trigger Type- _____ 21. Power Pakage Assembly Point- _____ 22. Power Pakage Loading Action- _____ 24. Power Pakage Release-_____ Please identify each of your prefered components. This would be certainly a worthy description. Any instruction would be appreciated. |
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LBG and Paul Hart do not have any formal relationship and to the best of my knowledge, even an informal one. I enjoyed Pauls analysis of Peter Crokers swing and it was kind of Peter to offer our members a link to his free videos. I hope it's helped him gain some positive exposure.
Here's the rub. After all of the personal sacrifice, time, effort and cost the Admins have put into this site for the benefit of the members and LBG, it's hard to swallow any advertisement or promotion for instruction elsewhere. This is especially true of an ongoing, contrasting-color signature link that directs members away from our site. I've been to every other TGM site, past (3 no longer exist) and present, and haven't found anything better than what we have right here. You have my commitment that we will continue building on the rich content we've already established. Bagger |
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I actually agree with you, to a degree.... But I don't know if you've realized....there IS someone in this thread who has a link in their signiture.... You can think of that however you want really.....and take it as seriously as you want....you can't deny tho that some will find it a little grating (rightly so).... Just wanted to point that out to make sure you're seeing the whole picture. |
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Don't take this personally, I just want to address my thoughts about the above. I completely agree that golf is a game and it should be fun. But for those in any sports industry, it's much more. There are many professionals here that put bread on the table by..."playing golf". We also have instructors here that make a living by helping others "play golf". This site is owned by Lynn Blake and it's his playground or as he would say "garden". But it's also an indispensible tool for marketing Lynn's business. Which...you guessed it...puts bread on the table. I play golf in the true sense. It's just a hobby and a passion. Like all of my hobbies and passions, I take them pretty seriously, but they are secondary to faith, family and my real job. This site and the management of it does not put bread on the table for me. However, I take it very seriously. Otherwise...well...if the site goes down for a few days, no biggie. Oh, and I'll get to those videos when I feel like it...I s'pose. Upgrades and new services...ugghhh...when I get around to it. No way. I'm very proud of what we've done here with help from Trig and Bambam, and the things we are planning to do. I'm completely absorbed in the development and the side benefits are motivating; helping members in my own way (by developing and running this site), and learning from Lynn and others. Is golf fun? You bet. It gets better all the time. Do I take it seriously? Very. Is this all a game? Of course. But I play it with all my heart. Lynn has contibuted a tremendous amount of enlightenment to Homers work and it's all here. But the well is deep and there is much more to come. Bagger |
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It seems to be counter to what one would find in chpt 12 and/or 6-H? The rationale for the selection of these components would be of interest to me and probably others... |
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But there comes a point -- admittedly a very subjective point -- when such discussion crosses the line and becomes profiteering on the considerable effort it has taken (and continues to take) to build our membership base. The same holds true for deliberate attempts to undermine the private lessons and LBG Academies that indirectly support this site. For example, not long ago, a member posted that he was pleased with what he had learned from the site and was considering traveling to see me personally. Shortly thereafter, a reply post followed (from someone I've never met) with a list of teachers in the member's area, complete with names, addresses and phone numbers, along with the advice that he could save a lot of money by staying home. Line crossed. We seek to provide -- for free -- a meaningful experience for all who come here, and in so doing, to promote Lynn Blake Golf. It violates our sense of 'fair play' to have links posted that direct members away from our site. It is particularly vexing when those 'redirects' are recurring as part of a member's signature. At the very least, we consider that tactic bad manners. In those rare instances we feel action is necessary, we usually address the issue by Private Message. In this instance, our membership beat us to the punch, and so we have responded publicly (and also privately). Thanks to all who support us and our mission to bring power amd precision to your game. As we approach Member #3,000 in just 18 months of operation, we are delighted with the progress made, but far from satisfied. More, much more, is to come! |
I apologize to all of you.
I am inexperienced for posting in forums. I just really want to know the advance TGMer prefered swing model which should be the right path, non-struggling way, for everyone to develop into a higher level in a short time. Again, sorry for blatancy. :crybaby: |
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I don't believe there is one particular MODEL for TGM. Some good traits could be gleaned from looking at certain players...Steve Elkington, for example, has many good things about his technique (Pivot, Impact, Plane). One way to find a MODEL... is to find a player that has a similar build, tempo, strength level, and flexibility to yourself. Even this, however, does not always work. If you looked at John Daly just walking down the street, you would probably not imagine he could have a long, swinging type action in golf. The ESSENTIALS and IMPERATIVES should be there, but after that variations can be in one's technique, and probably should be. Find a way that works well under a tournament situation... for you. |
The Model stems from the shot at hand...and how you intend to apply force to accomplish this objective...your body type, talent level, Golf IQ, etc...etc...etc... are all factors in the equation!!!
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I believe that each of you, the "expert", has a prefered swing model for a general situation.
Homer Kelley states in his Preface of The Golfing Machine - " for people - shaped golfers there is actually only one swing". The prefered swing model from the "expert" like all of you in here is the guideline to the right path for the followers, like me, to develop into a higher level and discover which one is suitable. Does the TGMer prefered swing model be a personal secret that should not express? Please don't tell me that you have not any prefered swing pattern. |
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I thought old Pete had it already!. Or is business flagging a little and forced him to do a little more market research ?. I guess you have to give them what they want, even if it is not good for them. |
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I have not any bussiness on the web. I am engineer. I am just a golf nut. I just want to learn more in the TGM way. TGM for me like a bible of golfing world. Please be kind. |
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Homer Kelley, I understand, did look at PICTURES of Ben Hogan, and probably Byron Nelson, and Sam Snead. He got some of his ideas from studying those pictures. Mac O'Grady, I believe, also used Ben Hogan and Sam Snead as models. His teaching uses many of the TGM concepts, along with his own research. Steve Elkington, has a TGM certification. His swing might be a good one to take a look at, from the players of today. He, however, is a very strong, athletic, and flexible player. |
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Do you hit or swing?.Do you know the difference? I speak from a personal view point but any expert on this site will have their own personal preference of proceedure FOR THEIR OWN GAME,but they would not teach you swinging if you were a natural hitter-unless you also found a swinging proceedure suited you.Of course,some teachers may only teach either hitting or swinging -but i personally doubt it. |
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I just got a most interesting comment that retraces to my question on the first page:
"The secret to golf is the first two paragraphs in 12-5-0. Basic requirements. Set your goals, plans, programmes, statistics, time line, final valuable products and get to work. I would like to say more, but I could not say it better than Homer." If so, what is your goal Basic pattern requirement? Why? Again, please be kind. LEKO |
The goal of any pattern is to obtain the imperatives and essentials and sustain the line of compression in a repeatable and predictable way. Beyond that, the goal is for that action/motion to be as efficient as possible - the only reason, to my understanding, that Homer recommended anything - on the basis of mechanical advantage (efficient force).
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Well Said, EdZ!
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"The secret to golf is the first two paragraphs in 12-5-0. Basic requirements. Set your goals, plans, programmes, statistics, time line, final valuable products and get to work. ..." May I ask TGMer here; What is your prefer Basic pattern? Why? |
Bumpy start to an interesting thread...
Just read all the posts and I am glad to see that everyone still talking to eachother - Lynn makes a great diplomatic statement!
Back to the question you asked - I am new to TGM too, Leko. About 10 months old now. I, like almost everyone, went round asking this type of question. A cornerstone of TGM is that is all about options - do whatever you like as long as you do the imperatives and essentials... I used to find this very frustrating!! "Come on" i'd think, "there must be some ideal swing to copy/ use as model!!" - but TGM gurus love all patterns!! Somewhere there is an audio recording of young Yoda on the phone to Homer(introduced by Tom Tomasello) and even Lynn asked Homer what his preferred option was for such-and-such component - guess what Homer said (approx) "they are all as good as each other..." ( even Lynn seemed to get a bit frustrated with Homer's inability to chose one component as "best"...) EdZ came up with the key , and the route of your question , and that comes down to efficiency of pattern. My understanding of your question is "whose swing obeys all TGM imperatives and essentials and is really powerful/efficient" - I take it you don't want a single barrel ( one accumulator) swing as a model!! But Homer would probably love that just as much as any other!! So you probably want a :- -swinger -3 barrels ( Homer was never keen on 4 barrel swinging for most players) -max trigger delay on most of those accumulators to give max clubhead speed -all essentials/imperatives obeyed. -turned shoulder plane at the top( no flatter planes are commonly seen in top pros) and most will ahve -at least one shift - almost always in backswing because few have the hands high enough at address to make TSP backstroke without a plane shift) and if they did then they probably did not have level wrists at address. My reading of the book has identified the components above as either being termed "advisable" or "efficient" or some some such term which makes it sound as though it ought to be tried as an option in the first instance before being thrown out due to some preference that you may have. That is an ideal model for a person of good athletic ability ( again i asume that you are aiming at this end of the athletic spectrum). Steve Elkington is pretty good on all those boxes, Hogan maybe delayed his triggers bit longer? Ernie Els has many of these features... but they all look different because they vary in anatomy and some of the less mechanically critical comonents (see below) Now the bits where your options really come into play and there seems to be much more personal variation without any overt benefit in terms of efficiency or power or accuracy are:- -Wrist action -Grip ( within reason!) - Fix - Plane line/ address - Pivot (do whatever as long as lag is maintained) -Shoulder/hip/knee/foot -trigger( but maybe limited by choice of max trigger delay above) -power package assembly point/loading action/ release and add tempo to that list - this is not a TGM component but is a key feature to the visual individuality of a swing. Well - see what you think but i no longer want to have a model to copy - i want component upgrades in some / many areas to increase power / efficiency/ accuracy - but ultimately it is my swing i want with imperatives/ essentials intact. eg. I would love Hogan's trigger delay but suspect that i am not flexible enough to create the pivot required to produce this. So my plan would be to do a bit of Yoga and lose weight!! No point in trying till the anatomy can support the component i chose! |
Figuring It Out -- Writing Makes A Precise Man
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I can't. At least not now. There is only so much energy in one day and nothing is left for this that deserves so much. The good news is: The true benefit came from writing it. The secondary benefit came from reading it. For those who would really learn, the final benefit comes from responding to it and then implementing it in their Game. :) |
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