6-b-3-0
 

I think I found an error. I'm sure that it's one of the first errors to be found but I haven't found it pointed out in this Topic Room.

[True "Drive Out"] Line 14, page 70, 6th Edition has been replaced with [True "Throw Out"] Line 17, page 73 7th Edition.

Drive-Out Should Remain
 

That change was in the transcribed revisions (that some of us had access to a couple of years in advance of the publication of the 7th edition).

However, I'm with you, Daryl. I've always thought the revision was an error and never updated my 6th to reflect the change. I was disappointed when it made the 7th.

:(

I have "Throw out" tattooed on my Left Wrist and "Drive out" Tattooed on my Right Forearm.

Left WRIST Throw-Out / Right ELBOW Drive-Out
 

Close, Daryl . . . very close.

Can you move that tatoo to your Right Elbow? It is the Elbow, not the Forearm, that is the #1 Power Accumulator (and that supplies the Right Arm Drive).

Then again, you probably couldn't see the words if they were tatooed on your elbow.

So, never mind!

:)

Dear Yoda,

Thank you. Because my left wrist Tattoo would remind me of 6-B-2-0 then the Right Elbow Tattoo would remind me of 6-B-1-0. That is the logical mind and naturally, "Elbow Tattoo Location" would be an accurate correction.

Unfortunately, I substituted the Logical mind years ago for the Expedient Mind. Thus, if I had Tattoos, "I would have "Drive out" tattooed on my Right Forearm per 10-3-A to remind me to keep my Elbow at my Side so that I could Fan my Forearm. Possible my mistake is thinking that 6-B-1-0 would occur automatically if I performed the "Fanning".

10-3-A PUNCH From a “down-and-at-the-side” Elbow Position, whether the Elbow is touching the Body or not, a straight-line Right Hand Punch is delivered through Impact (6-E). Per 6-C-2-A and 7-19. Except with 10-3-C (Push), the Right Forearm must have a “Fanning” type of motion, not a “Linear” Push type of motion (10-3-C). :)

D . . .what about the stamp on your forehead . . . tell us about that . . . Magic of the Wrong Forehead?

Western Nights and Extensor Action
 

Daryl,

With all due respect to your Right Forearm Fanning, I remain most appreciative of your Right Triceps Extensor Action -- especially as you reached for (and paid!) our dinner check last spring at the Bellagio.

A generous gesture.

A generous man.

Thanks again!

:salut:

The pleasure was mine.

I'm establishing permanent residence in "The Lab".

Here's a discussion.

I hesitate in posting this, but, we only live once.

Not saying the current 7th edition changes arent accurate. But....

My understanding is that many many people worked on the changes at different points. So - any chance some items slipped through that werent intended - or others didnt make it in?

Just curious as to what others thought.

Patrick

It's just my opinion, but if I may borrow a colorful metaphor from "Buckets" Treasury (Bucket didn't say this) I would say that: Some Items Slipped Through Like A Greased Pig Running Through an Open Gate. :laughing9

Forehead Magic- The secret that Homer left out of the book
 

I agree with you guys- but the important issue here is that Daryl has not responded to Bucket's question- and I find it rude and Bucket is also very upset about this. Daryl, tell us about the Magic of the forehead? :violent:

The Magic of the Forehead is quite simple actually. Please allow me to explain. It's a (4) step process.

First. Schedule a Private Lesson with Yoda.

Second. When Yoda places his hand, GENTLY on your forehead, so that you won’t sway off the Ball when he tells you to make a backswing, but then you CONTINUE to sway off the Ball, then Yoda must apply more force.

Third. Failing to Keep Your Head Stationary following 10 or more attempts, then Yoda will begin to use Right Arm Thrust and apply the #1 Pressure Point to your forehead.

Fourth. After 10 more attempts fail, Then Yoda uses his Right Shoulder as a BACKSTOP to Brace His Right Arm Thrust through the #1 Pressure Point to your Forehead. Unfortunately, His Right Hand is no Longer on your Forehead before he begins to Thrust.

This is known as “THE MAGIC OF THE FOREHEAD”. It works! :golf:

Then, get in a Golf Cart and shoot a 38. :laughing9

Funny guys. (just kidding, it wasnt funny though I do like the comraderie)

Bigger issue here.

I know of, I believe, 3-4 people that were 'working' on 7th edition revisions.

So........

Who's right? Who's wrong?

Sweet . . . I think you could get pressure points 1 2 & 3 on Mike's forehead . . . It's flatter than a pizza box.

?
 

That's the best you got? Oh this is going to be too easy. I'll bury you!!

I’ll be blunt.

I have read HK for twenty-five years and have become familiar with his words and thoughts. I know his sarcasm when he doesn’t care about something and I know how he writes when he finds something amusing. You can read TGM twenty-five times without complete understanding but you can’t read HK twenty-five times without knowing something of his personality and immense effort and dedication. I know that he painfully chose his words.

TGM was revised six times by Homer Kelley within Eleven years, and by today; he may have updated and managed more than twenty revisions. No one can say, however textbooks are commonly updated and Homer did not fear changing his perspective or correcting himself and I think he rather enjoyed them.

TGM was the brainchild that he conceived, nurtured, clarified and purified. I have most of the original six editions and a side by side comparison clearly illustrates that Homer was developing and refining his concepts. Most of them are firmly implanted but some, to a lesser degree and remain in need of development.

I think that the “notes” should have been published. I think that the few corrections (references) needed to be made to the sixth edition, could have been made and re-published as the 7th with an appendix of Homers “notes” added for those of us who wish to peek into his concerns in hopes that some insight could lead us to future development.

I think a book explaining and clarifying key concepts should have been developed for the general golfing public and teaching professionals not familiar with the original work. Small doses, color photos, you know the drill. The word “Lever” and “Lag” are being used more often. It’s interesting to me how many TGM terms are being adopted. Yet does anyone beyond us understand their origin, meaning or purpose?

No matter how often or how many people exclaim the accuracy of the translations, I cannot agree with this decision. I don’t think that the 7th edition should have been published this way. There is too much “finality”.

Did Homer Kelley or his brainchild benefit through this effort? How much fog was lifted? For you? Why? Why? Why? Together, with the “LBG Platform”, a website provided by a gracious and acutely knowledgeable host, who, without question, is the World’s foremost expert on TGM, have an enormous opportunity to expand and build TGM knowledge with each other’s guidance. Simply expanding applications, such as Putting, Chipping, it’s endless. It’s the only book of its kind and yet every sport that uses a stick to hit something to make it move uses the same Laws and Principles. Interesting. Homer learned from them too and they can learn from Homer.

So much to do and so little time. This website could be here one-hundred years from now. Imagine fifty years from now, someone visits the site and reads the Collected Works of “Bucket”. Go ahead, laugh, they will. Does the 7th Edition mark the completion of the effort? No. Get down to the “Lab” and help me figure out my Extensor experiment! Homer would. :)

Agreed to an extent - I dont think Homer was interested in sarcasm per se, in the book, though I understand your point. Bookwise, I think he was most interseted in getting his point across and, to a degree, I feel we read too much into some concepts - meaning, we (I) look delve into concepts and look for something deeper than he says...though I guess that goes along with the territory.


Agreed. I think a misguided perception is Homer was steadfast in his concepts. There are many, many people that have contributed to TGM - the actual print. Homer was not above changing wording to get his point across. He would hold his ground, dont get me wrong, but in the end - some of the additional revisions were a direct result of his pupils feedback.


Yep. Same page. I had all editions (with the help of a friend) 3rd and 1st immaculate and signed by Homer.


Not sure about the 'notes' per se.



Bingo. Nail on the head. And in my opinion, this is what separates the big boys from the masses - the ability to teach and explain concepts in everyday words. I think someone (Einstein maybe) said being a genius is the ability to take a complicated concept and make it simple.



Agreed - but I must admit, I havent seen the published 7th. I had the revisions way before...not sure what made it and what didnt.


Agreed on the book. Great perspective. One comment - I do feel one other person is on the level of Lynn. Different approaches, communication, etc - not going to mention names, but.......


Shakespeareian.

Nothing to add, just going to copy it back and bow out with plagiarism (please dont sue me).

Great post Daryl. Much fun.

Patrick

It's none of my business. I must learn to keep my opinions to myself. These posts should be deleted.
Philly, I had no idea you were so deep into this. You had his notes? Hmm?

Agreed on the book. Great perspective. One comment - I do feel one other person is on the level of Lynn. Different approaches, communication, etc - not going to mention names, but.......

I understand. Thank you for your comments. I can't disagree with you. But I see no wobble at LBG. This [Web site] is a monumental effort, and though I'm only a willing and fortunate participant, I'm not blind to the work ethics "sacrifice through dedication" or "hard work through effort" or "When in doubt, get back to the Basics".

No wobble

Good stuff..

Clarify "notes".

The "notes" as I recall were not directly Homers, but Chuck Evans transcribed notes of Homers tapes. I still have a copy somewhere and I believe they are posted deep in a thread here somewhere. Maybe someone closer to Chuck can clarify the origin.

Daryl - This is Yoda's garden and posts are pruned very carefully. The obvious weeds go immediately, but others stay and in many cases bear fruit.

Then there are posts that are strictly fertilizer.
Those have to stay as well and you haven't been shoveling any yet...well maybe just throwing a little back...thats OK.:salut:

Hey Bagger,

Notes from Homer with Chuck were excerpts from tapes.


patrick

'Notes' Versus 'Revisions"
 

And, to clarify, these 'notes' (transcribed from audio tapes) are NOT the same as the 7th edition 'revisions' (transcribed from Homer's own hand).

I used the Term "Notes" to identify the "Revisions" that Homer Kelley Wrote by Hand in preparing and planning the 7th edition update.

It is my understanding that there also exist "Transcriptions" of Homers' Audio Taped Seminars and that these Transcriptions are commonly referenced as the "Notes".

Sorry for the confusion. :)

Currently Agreed Terms: "Notes" and "Revisions"

Transcriptions = "Notes"

Homer Kelley's Revision Notes = "Revisions"

So to correct my earlier post, I should say that "I think that the 7th Edition should have included Homer Kelley's Hand Written "Revisions" he documented for his purpose of updating his 6th Edition".

Can't argue with that. Why would someone want it any other way?

There are Homers handwritten revisions to the 7th.
A transcribed verbatum copy of the revisions... handwritten notes were typed up by the Chuckster before the buyout.
Something called "Homers Notes" which were Chucks notes taken off of an audio tape class taught by Homer.

Chuck never had the opportunity to meet Homer, but spent a significant amount of time with Sally after Homer passed. He kept the fire burning and was an Internet pioneer for TGM.

All on the same page. I like Darly revision - 'revisions' and 'notes'. :)

I know Chuck worked on them - the revisions that is - and various others through the years. Personally, I prefer the 6th because that is Homers own work versus the 7th (and I mean no disrespect to anyone that worked on them at all) which Homer obviously never had a chance to finalize if you will. Perhaps the 7th does include 'everything' Homer wanted to change...but then again, with so much time that passed, you never know.

Now where the heck did I put that lotion?

:laughing1