Brian Gay
 

I was watching Brian Gay compilation here (a good watch),he has a very short and sweet swing,only thing lacking there is complications--there are none,my query is this,his alighnments and set up are that of a hitter,is this right or is he swinger---Im tipping hitter---dont shoot me...cheers and Happy new Year YODA

I thought hitter too, but then noticed he rolls onto plane so now think swinger.

Good question and i look forward to seeing the answer.

the squire too?
 

Pretty sure he's a hitter.

And KJ and Arnold of course and Toms and a whole bunch of em and now Im wondering about this guy.............what do you think?

He goes to end then does some nice drag loading in start down but then hits real hard with the right side in release, or so it seems to me.

Luke you there? What do think? Is he what I call a pretty hitter? A mix. Metrohitteral or whatever? Dang I might be one too, I am from the city and all.

What ever gets you through to both arms straight, eh?


http://www.hickorygolfers.com/swings...en/gsdrive.htm



By the way this is one heck of a site for old time hickory shafted swings, books, old articles etc.

OB

Thanks OB
 

Thanks for the link.....great site...Im half way thru it

Brian
 

He is a swinger .

:golf:

I am about 99.9 % sure.

Take a look at Yodas comments here

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ay#post555 38

Thruster
 

Thruster...........Switter?.......Ive just DUCKED for cover....

Nice one AC. And congrats on Tri Krona's fine showing in the junior world hockey championships. I like Hedmen on defense , he'd look good in blue and white with Borje's number 21 on the back. Time for our next Viking God now that Mats has left.

Thruster implies to me that Brian actively extends his right arm through the ball. Me too by the way, after Yoda converted me to hitting last month.

In the swing sequence photos I took of Yoda in the "pivot center" thread he was hitting or perhaps I should say performing what is for him, his preferred form of hitting. It is a personal preference thing. Yoda showed a variety of procedures but most often seemed to start at adjusted, lagging takeaway, angled hinge, drag load start down, random sweep release that was kinda late when he wanted to flight it lower (almost snap) and then POW with the thrusting right arm. The photos dont show what the eyes saw and ears heard. There was a yardage post about 175 yards out which he hit at least three times that I saw.

I may have some of his components misidentified, my apologies but to the eye those photos could easily be mistaken for a swinging procedure. To the ears and eyes of a person standing there, there was some major effort being expended in delivery. POW with the straightening right arm.

Oh, and when we were talking about all this stuff. He recommended I check out the premium video of Brian Gay's. He never did say Brian was a hitter however. I didnt ask. Homer, however he said was a "hitting efficienato".Ill leave to you to interpret why hitting is listed before swinging in the book.

Although a wise man once told me that most hitters, given enough time, would return to swinging. Why? I asked. "Because its easier" said he. Although that same wise fellow seems to be doing a lot of hitting still.

Its all about personal preference based on your results. Find your own way, your own procedure. But start as recommended by Homer in Chapter 12 before you move on.

OB

Thruster
 

Yoda,can we entice your goodself to give us some more info into Brians swing as I for one am impressed by his short and sweet swing (HIT THRUST or WHATEVER)
To me,he seems to have shortish backswing(ala hitter) but the attributes of swinger. In one of your comments,you say Brian isnt the longest but he is very straight...Thats what Im a chasing..Thanks in advance

Premium Video -- Helping Us Help You and Worth Every Dime
 

I have written extensively on my work with Brian,work that parallels his enormous success over the past three years. Those many posts (many with illustrative photos) are in my archives for your free study. As are several videos in The Gallery. Beyond these efforts, anyone sincerely interested in (1) The Golfing Machine; (2) my teaching of its principles and procedures; and (3) its applications by a proven Champion on the PGA TOUR, simply must click here http://lynnblakegolf.com/cmps_index.php?page=proshop and buy the 60-minute video, Brian Gay -- Golf Stroke Fundamentals. You will learn a ton, and at the same time, help us continue to help you.

We're a partnership here, guys. We've got plenty of free stuff -- more than 100 videos and thousands of authoritative posts with information you will not find anywhere else in golf -- so for those who want the 'edge', it's okay to show your support and give back a little. Many of your fellows (I read every name) already have, and for that, I am grateful and offer my sincere thanks.

:salut:

Download
 

Hi Yoda,

I paid online for the Brian Gay video but the download appears very stop and start. Is there a way of downloading and saving it for an uninterrupted view?

Many thanks,

Crawford

Saving the Streaming Videos
 

Yes, Crawford, you can download it and save it to a file. That's the way I do it.

P.S. I saw your order come through. Thanks!

:salut:

Dvd
 

Would it also be possible to purchase this as a DVD, such as Alignment Golf, which is excellent?

Substance . . . Not Glitz
 

No, Blade, although in my opinion, the presentation and information presented therein is worthy of a prominent place on any retail DVD shelf. Especially for students of The Golfing Machine. That said . . .

I have stated elsewhere that this video was never meant to be a professional DVD. We were not even miked, for goodness sake. But, I knew as it unfolded that it was golden: a seasoned tournament professional demonstrating the techniques he learned, mastered and now uses every day on the PGA TOUR. All while his teacher guides and describes the action and occasionally gets involved in the act. The really good news is that we can deliver it to you immediately and at half the cost of a DVD.

For your own lifetime access, buy Brian Gay -- Golf Stroke Fundamentals here: http://lynnblakegolf.com/cmps_index.php?page=proshop.

:golfcart2:

Yoda,

The video is fabulous, everything you said, only problem is I cant rewind or go to a specific segment. It seems that the only way to watch it is to start, play, pause and continue, not go backwards to review or jump forward.

If thats the way it is, I will just play around with that but do let me know if it the other features of rewind or jump forward is possible.

Again, I have not watched it all yet but its really helped to clear up mountains of terminology already.

Calling Bambam!
 

Let's call in the 'big guns', Crawford. Any tips, Bambam?

Were you able to download the video OK? What media player are you using?

Windows media play should let you do the things you've mentioned, but if not, you could check out V1 Home (http://www.v1golfacademy.com/). They have a free version of their software that lets you play videos forward, reverse, and slow motion. It also plays youTube videos, which is a nice added bonus.

Using Windows media player, tried real but would not allow access, tried to burn it on cd but not permitted either.

Please understand that I think the video is great and would urge anyone interested in TGM to get it, well worth the price just a bit frustrating that I can't get it to do those functions. Many thanks for your help, I will try the VI option although the video appears dedicated to windows media player only as real player could not open it. Sorry to be a pain!

No worries, we'll get it figured out. I play wmv files in V1 all the time, so it shouldn't be an issue. Let me know if you run into problems there and we'll sort through it.

Team LBG At Work For You
 

Thanks, Ben!

:salut:

Download and saved to HD
 

Yep, I'l purchase this if it is simple to download and save to the desktop and can be played from the HD rather than streamed.

blade it is possible to do that

Its a simple task. Once you have paid for the video you can then go to the video and do a right click..save as and then save it onto your desktop.
Use Windows Media player and you will be fine.
Alex

OK. Got it fixed. For some reason, opening the video in IE automatically streamed the video online in WMP which does not allow rewind. However, opening it in Firefox gives me the option of downloading it and then burning it to a CD from which it can be viewed like any other dvd.

Do yourself a favour and get it, like Yoda says, its Golden!

Yoda, a question for you, somewhere on this site you posted that you preferred hitting to swinging and then gave reasons, would like you to redirect me to that post if possible.

Second question, is there somehere where you lay down the principles from A to B about how to construct the hitting stroke in your own terms?

Many thanks,

Crawford

Crawford,

Yoda does not answer questions that are put to him like that because he frankly doesn't have the time. Try your best to do a search on the forums to find what you are looking for or start a thread about it which the green one may or may not choose to contribute to

:salut:

Just ordered it. Do you guys know how it takes to receive the link to watch the vid?

I already got a confirmation the order was received.

Thanks

I meant to say "how long" does it take before your get the video.....not monitoring my hands effectively

here
 

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=532

it's under purchased videos......

Thom,

Thanks buddy, I got it now....

This is a great freaking video! One question. Lynn says in the video that hitting is not Brians "cup of tea", but since the video was made has Brian been using more of hitters pattern?

Ive been watching him the last couple weeks in Hawaii and Palm Springs, and I dont have the eye to tell if he's swinging or hitting.

Great stuff either way, espically the hinge descriptions and laoding procedures.

Easily the best $25 Ive spent on golf instruction video.

cheers!

Confirmed swinger?
 

To me, he is still swinging as I don't see much a difference between now and the video.

But if someone knows, I'm still interested in a confirmation of what Brian is really doing...:think:

Brian Gay -- Hitter or Swinger?
 

Brian feels he uses his Right Arm a lot during the Impact Interval. That would explain why setting his Right Forearm On Plane at Address these past three years has made such a tremendous difference for him. Also, his abbreviated Backstroke is indicative of Drive Loading, and despite his extremely fast Downstroke Shoulder Turn, his Hip and Shoulder 'separation' is minimal. Finally, all his Short Shot and 'through Impact' posed alignments tend toward Angled Hinging (with its 'bad shot' being a 'Push Cut).

So, the jury is out, but as near as I can figure, he's Hitting, and these are the alignments we've emphasized. On the other hand, Brian's good TOUR friend, John Riegger, thinks he's Swinging.

Most of us need to take a page from Jeff Hull's book and not worry so much about it. Pay attention to the Impact alignments -- per 1-L #20, the Geometry is identical for every Machine -- and let your natural instincts dictate the Physics of the Action.

:salut:

Yoda,

The more I watch the video, the more I realize how beautifully simple Brian's motion is. We all try to make it so complicated, and you've just moved it into as few moving parts as possible... Just solid structure. Am I on the right track?

Thanks,
Kevin

Yoda

Often in the real world we observe neither black nor white but grey.

Thanks for this.

ob

#5 in Scramble
 

Brian is also very well ranked (#5 actually) in the PGA Tours stats in Scrambling and if I remember well, it was also the case last year.
I guess that his right forearm on plane in chipping helps a lot to start the ball consistently on the right track.

I also never saw him much using cut shots with an open-open stance. Instead, I see a lot of square-square + right foream on plane: I remember Dave Pelz in his Short Game bible saying that ball's behaviour (bounce/roll/scatter) was more reliable.

I've been looking over all our V1 and JC video swings this winter and it looks like the two biggest differences between Brian's swing and other professionals is the right forearm on plane and his hips seem to be much less open at impact.

I assume it's due to somewhat of a hitting action. What sort of differences do you all see between the forearm on plane and the hands hanging straight down? In my own tinkering, the forearm on plane makes clubshaft control so much easier, but it seems harder to cock the left wrist with the forearm on plane.

Straight Man
 

Both alignments are pure TGM.

Per 2-F, holding the Right Forearm On Plane at Address (9-2-1 #2) facilitates an On Plane Right Forearm at Impact (9-2-10 #2). See the photos in Post #102 here: http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...t=2383&page=11. And enjoy #91, too (my computer system gives me an enlarged click-on slide show of all 17 images; hope yours does, too). Pivot Action will cause the Right Elbow to be more bent at Impact, but the Feel (of Address and Impact) will remain the same.

As you have noted, Brian's Hips are "comparatively squared away" through Impact. This prevents the Body's Rotation from pulling the Hands 'under Plane' (and Off Line) during the Release Interval. This is the Standard Impact Fix condition of the Body (10-8-A / Editions 1-6). Sadly and ignorantly, the owner/editor of Edition 7 posthumously eliminated author Homer Kelley's longstanding language and reference to this most important characteristic.

In Start Up and Backstroke, the Right Elbow bends and leaves its On Plane alignment at Address. As the Right Elbow moves Off Plane, so does the Right Forearm. Then, as the Body turns and the Right Elbow bends and lifts the Left Arm (7-3), the Left Wrist Turns On Plane and Cocks.

Properly understood and executed, there is no conflict.

:salut:

Would this be another clue that Brian is hitting? More cross line hip action versus spinning the fly wheel?

Standard Impact Fix Alignments
 

I teach the Standard Fix (10-8-A) to both Hitters and Swingers. At Impact, the Left Wrist is Flat and the Right Wrist is Bent; the Weight is slightly left; and the Hips are "comparatively squared away," i.e., only slightly leading the square Shoulders.

:salut:

So what is it that determine how open the hips will be at impact?
Right elbow?
Planeangle?
Impact fix?

thanks
Anders