Hinge vs. Swivel
 

I think we all agree that Hinging requires Rhythm of the Primary Lever, an undisturbed Clubhead Orbit, and a Clubface Aligned to one of the three Associated Planes.

We may not all agree on Swivel. I view Clubface Rotation as a "Swivel" when the Clubface rotates with an Alignment to anything other than an Associated Plane, such as the Center of Gravity of the Clubhead, or with a True Rotation of the Hands.

But did you know, that the Clubface, when using Hinging, Closes at a much Slower Rate than with a Swivel? This is one of the benefits of Hinging.

Maybe a machine could be built that has a left wrist that only cocks and uncocks and a right that stays bent till after impact a foldable right elbow and ball joint at the shoulders that can tilt and turn on a post. We may have a machine that can only hinge and the hinge type being controlled by the right elbow location and movement. With no swivel till the right arm and wrist strengthen long after impact. Wow, maybe right elbow location is more important than we credit it.

Hb

Is that the main benefit of Hinging ? Clubface control because of the lower rate of closure ? Was it identified before Homer named it, or at least taught somehow ?

For power Id agree ... but what about the old hands only putting style? What about that in concert with Vertical Hinging , intentional Steering. That would be one fine method to putt with........Billy Casper could roll that thing.

Swinging from the wrists is an effective way of shortening the radius... sort of like the grand daddy of gripping down. Its physics again as employed by the thinking mans golfer, or by those fortunate enough to just stumble upon it, like Seve did. He'd grip down to the metal and swing from the wrists for a short trap shot, cross line with a wide open club face and Vertcal Hinging.

You could manipulate any Hinge Action while swinging from the wrists, no? But agreed for normal shots the Hinge Action is not a thing done with the Hands actively..... though it may seem like should be at first. Got to get past that.

TGM short shots are not a to be confused with Basic and Acquired which are stepping stones or a curriculum to an effective Total Motion. Compressed short shots leading to compressed long shots. Beautiful stuff. There are times when they are useful short shot methods yes, often. But ideally you have other options when intentional compression leakage is a better way to go.

Homer had nothing against intentional steering for short shots.

The benefit is Clubface Control. "Control" includes "Clubface Alignment" at Impact, the "Clubface motion" (Closing Only, Closing with Layback, Layback Only) through the Impact Interval and the "Rate of Closing and/or Layback".

It was identified by Homer Kelley. The "Right Forearm Angle of Approach" traveling the "Pulley" determines the Closing Ratio. Another way is "Swiveling".

The Low Rate of Closing is an Important benefit that Hinging Provides. It's important because the amount of Rotation of the Line of Compression during Impact/Separation is only about .37 degrees. Swiveling through Impact has erratic Ball Flight because it isn't possible to control the Closing Rate.

Some more light reading..
 

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5600
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=6716
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5922
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5896
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=6160
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=6158
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=6157

Hinging is much easier and vastly more reliable than Swiveling. I think people misunderstand the Hinge because they don't align the Wedges at 90 degrees.

Daryl,

Love your perspective!!

EC

You raise an interesting question. The "vertical" of Hinge Action's left hand to the associated Basic Plane alignment. D, do you thinks it's a "geometrically" vertical thing again as opposed to literally vertical? Sorta like geometrically flat ? I think it must be to encompass the turned left hand grip types. From not turned all the way to the fully turned 10-2-D.

How can I describe this better? Say you had a turned left hand grip , turned any amount and you held a ping pong paddle like wise, with the paddles face vertical to the ground . To Hinge properly the paddle would maintain the vertical to the basic plane alignment despite the fact the hand is turned. The hands condition thus being considered "geometrically" vertical though not literally vertical.

Uh maybe I just made it worse with that attempt.

I understand, and it's an interesting comparison. But the Flat Left Wrist is the Flat Left Wrist. If it's Bent or Arched then you sacrifice Rhythm to the extent of it's Bent or Arched condition.

Turning the Left Hand to the Top of the Shaft (10-2-D), you substitute Bending and Arching for Cocking and Uncocking and Visa Versa. The Left Arm Wedge is aligned at 0 degrees (its On Plane at Impact). You'll need to Unbend the Right Wrist because its on the same Plane as the Uncocking Left Wrist. Controlled Throwaway.

While the Right Forearm seeks its Angle of Approach for Impact, it is the responsibility of the Right Forearm Wedge, to return the Left Wrist to whatever Alignments assigned to it at Impact Fix. When the Wedges are Aligned at 90 degrees, it's the function of the Right Forearm Wedge to return the Left Wrist to Vertical, Level and Flat for Impact. It has no choice; it can only do that, it's aligned for that, it exists for that, regardless of Hinge Action. Extensor Action gives the Right Forearm Wedge this control.

Except when using the Elbow Plane, the Right Forearm Wedge is Only On-Plane (Aligned to the Swing Plane) for the Impact Interval unless the Right Shoulder is On-Plane and then, from Impact to Follow-through.

Of course, without Extensor Action you may get as far as a Tour Player. Doomed. Always worried if you'll have your "A" swing today. Always eating someone else's food, driving someone else's car, playing someone else's clubs. Always leaving. Always looking for another trick. :laughing9

As Amateurs, we can rise above that.

Left hand or Right club face "control"
 

Nice.

D, I think you prefer the right hand for club face control maybe. Fine by me , there are options! Trillions of em. Homer to my understanding stuck to Left Hand Clubface , Right Hand Clubhead till at least 1982. The Right Elbow being problematic when using the Right Hand for Hinging. But was there not a change to the definition of Hinge ACtion in the 7th to include either hand and Vertical or Parallel to the Basic Plane? Is Parallel in regard to the turned left hand of 10-2-D?

Ben Hogan said "The left hand is the steering wheel, the right hand is the gas". While "gas" is open to interpretation perhaps and off topic it would seem to me that "steering wheel" is club face control. Angled for him yes often but he did all three hinge actions to my eye. Manipulated Hands Swinging. His Alignments in Finish Swivel being beautifully telling, often revealing of his Hinge Action and shop shaping geometry.

Everything that guy did was beautiful and yet he got that way by stripping away everything that wasn't useful. the most beautiful of forms but still a product of function. I gotta get me some function ....

Like you I "feel" very much like its a right sided deal although with the left shoulder is the centre ......meaning its a left sided swing by definition. If you know what I mean. Im all ride sided but Im not Right ARm Swinging, which by definition would have the centre at the Right Elbow. Which raises another question for ya... Does the Right Arm Swinger use EA? If he did wouldn't that re establish the Left Shoulder as the Centre? Right Arm Swingers often have soft , bent left arms right? Me Im EA on , left arm as a string or sometimes a rod.... they're both forms of EA to my mind.

The Left Sided stroke is a Right Sided thing, I couldn't agree more. That's why you're Club Champ. Right Wrist Clubface Control? Not me.

When you say "Control" and I say "Control" it should mean the same thing. Clubface Control is dominated by Hinge Action.

The Left Arm check-reins the Right Elbow. The Right Forearm Wedge helps. They work together. Left Hand - Clubface; Right Hand - Clubhead. But both hands are on the Club.

"I asked you not to tell me that".
 

D, when you say "control" I have to say "the cone of silence hasn't worked in weeks, Max".

My apologies. I got you wrong on the right hand face control thing.

The above is exactly what I feel Im swinging, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. You need EA to make it all work, make the Triad work I believe.

Wrist conditions , grip pressures , the loading of the pressure points , various combos of wrist firmness are so key. The two hands have a lot to manage or Control in the war against KAOS.

how is a left sided swing a right sided thing?, forget the right arm and wedge in a left arm swing, the right arm doesn't "help" or should not "help" in a true swing through impact, the only help it should give is a little extensor and the right forearm startup, the left arm is pulling the number 3 pp down its delivery line pulling the right arm through, with it's proper closing and structure thanks to extensor which gives the arms their "effortless checkrein action"

push or pull pick one not both and you will be much better off

Well,,,,,I won't disagree. However, Right Forearm Participation is vastly underrated. I'm saying that when "Extensor" Action is applied, the Left Arm Stroke is a Right Sided thing.

I knocked off about 30 - twenty yard chip shots yesterday. Extensor action allowed the stroke Right Sided control. I added "Layback" to some of them. I had Left Side Control of the Clubface, and Right Side Control of the Clubhead.

especially on short chips and putts though if you are swinging, its very much a left arm pulling through pulling the right arm straight, endowed with it's extensor yes, but it is still the left arm the left hand pulling feeling, leading the right arm as it follows the left. even on a 2 inch putt push or pull

Left Shoulder as Center of swing
 

Hi guys! When I bump my left hip to "take up the slack" as seen in the video below, I feel Extensor Action and the stretch in my left shoulder as my trigger to thrust my right arm all the way down plane until it is fully extended. In that way, I feel as if, while Hitting, my left shoulder is the "center" of my Hit. That feeling of Hip slide also makes the Finish Swivel so automatic and sensible.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo& Itemid=85&video_id=118

Am I on your page of the book, sort of? :lurk:

ICT

I particularly like the part that says "I feel Extensor Action and the stretch in my left shoulder as my trigger to thrust my right arm all the way down plane until it is fully extended."

If you're using your Right Arm to Push the Inert Left Arm off the chest , Homer would say you're Hitting.

If you're doing the above but with a Pitch Right Elbow and the Right Elbow as the centre of your Right Arm swing...Homer would say you're a Right Arm Swinger.

A Hitting we will go!
 

Hitting DOWN!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ting#post56338

Thanks James!

ICT

It's like that eh? Hitters bashing on the swivel again. :sad2: But what your really saying is I can make a less precise stroke and get away with it more often.:naughty: --OR-- You might be saying 'I can make more strokes precise', but that would sound bragadocious and hitters are a humble sort. :redface: What happens when a hitter using a small pulley is a little off? I have to ask because my pulley swells when I try to hit, been that way for a week now.

Bumpy

You need to be gentle with your pulley!
 

Doctor's have lots of medications for ahem, "small pulleys." :golfcart2:

ICT