snap release how I changed my random sweep to snap
 

Went feom an early release to maximum trigger delay it actually was very gradual there was no aha moment it very slowly delayed more and more the only way is to ingrain the swinginfg action and eliminate all right hand arm effort and let the right arm steaighten passively also note that I gained little to no more distance but sometimes a more solid hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GEbY2rN1Ns

What's your reasons for changing to snap? Never understood the rationale for snap release (edit: I meant why it's better). Why not maintain random or almost sweep (full release) and just adjust the release interval by prolonging it?

If you do it properly by uncocking the LW hard & fast with the right shoulder, you will answer your own question of why it's better! Here's how: Throw the bent right arm and the entire club down plane with the right shoulder. :thumleft:

Deliberately delaying uncocking requires hand/wrist/arm tension and you can't let go the tension fast enough, so the uncocking is slower. :thumbdown Forearms, wrists, and hands must be tension free from the top.

Ok. By Snap Release you mean reality or intent? Because what you just described as thumbs up is what I mean by early Random or almost Sweep Release...and what you described as thumbs down is what I mean by Snap Release...:D

If you swing the mass of the bent right arm along with the shaft with each part moving at the same angular rate using adequate right shoulder speed and direction, you will end up snap releasing, in reality as well as intent, when the right elbow reaches low point.

You can't get a real snap release by holding the angle with wrist tension and letting go at some point. The angle is held by directing PP #3 toward a suitable aiming point with tension free wrists and an adequate pivot speed. So what you call a snap release will give a random sweep if you let go too soon, but if you attempt to let go as late as would happen in a real snap release, you will have wrist tension which will result in a shaft speed slower than it would have been in a real snap release. In other words, it happens too fast in reality to fake it, because your brain signals can't be processed fast enough.

Sorry to butt-in. But "Snap Release" is a Term Used to describe "how far along the straight-line delivery path when the Pulley begins or is initiated". It's not a #2 PP Swing. It's a #3 PP Swing. Driving Right Forearm. At the Very End of the Straight Line Delivery Path, when there is no more straight path to continue, the Right Forearm/Hands meet the Pulley. Then, the Right Forearm "Snaps" into the Pulley.

The #2 PP Swing (Wrist Cock) focuses on Wrist Cock and Uncock. This is the Swing used when you want to feel like the Left Arm is "Blasting" off the Chest. This Blast off the Chest initiates "Throw-Out" and CF sets in to Uncock the Left Wrist. It Doesn't get a "Snap" Release. With this Swing Type, you don't feel the Straight Line Delivery Path because the Right Forearm is Passive (Alignment aid only). Hence, Random Sweep Only when using the #2 PP (90% of Golfers).

BOTH, the Straight Line Delivery Path and "Left Arm Blast Off the Chest" are the "Hand Acceleration" Phase (of the downstroke acceleration sequence). Pulley, is Clubhead acceleration. Controlling when "Clubhead Acceleration" begins is directly controlled only when using the #3 PP to sense Inertia and Acceleration. It is only indirectly controlled when using a #2 PP Swing.

While a straight line delivery path can be useful as an intention, all hand paths are curved. Uncocking the LW by driving the right forearm will lead to early onset of uncocking in all but the few with extremely flexible wrists, and even then, is inferior to the cf snap release I'm talking about, because it induces forearm and wrist tension as well as forfeiting pivot power both resulting in slower shaft speed. If the hands get to the right thigh before the onset of uncocking with the shaft horizontal or above, random sweep can't happen, it's too late, and the inline condition will happen suddenly(snap) and most effectively, as long as the bent right arm is passive(no forearm slapping motion or firing right triceps) and the forearms and wrists are tension free.

There is much more to the Straight Line Delivery Path than the Curved Path of the Hands argument. It's a "Turned Shoulder Plane", 3 Stage Downstroke Acceleration procedure. As opposed to the Elbow Planes 2 Stage Acceleration procedure.

On the simplest level, it means that the Hands are traveling a Straight Plane and not Shifting Planes.

On a more complex level, it's the Power Package Shift from Right To Left, Down Plane, without Straightening the Right Arm. During this Shift, Hand Acceleration, the Power Package maintains the Same Alignment as it assembled at the End of the Backstroke.

Let me ask a question:

Can you have a "Snap Release" if the Ball is located in the Center of your Stance?

snap release make ball go far

Ok. Let me ask this please...the TGM definitions of snap vs random sweep release refer to reality, correct? Meaning what's actually happening? So intent is I material as far as definitions are concerned?

So MJ and Daryl are talking about the HOW to achieve these realities--snap vs random sweep?

So MJ you're saying Snap Release with max potential CH speed is only possible by keeping PP3 with R shoulder speed and R elbow bent? How about aligning the shaft with the shoulder rotation (plane where shoulder rotates) from Startdown to Downstroke, so you have only longitudinal acceleration on the shaft, hence no Release/PA2 uncocking/keep angles without tensioning the wrists? At Release just fire PP3/PA1? Wouldn't that be Snap Release without tensioning the wrists? MJ?

IMO I'd agree more with Daryl. What I said above jives with the last 2 posts of Dsryl...I think. Daryl?

I don't know what to call it, whether Snap or Random Sweep, but pretty much the intents described by MJ to achieve true Snap Release with CH speed is IMO most powerful.

But I believe the intents Daryl described to achieve Snap Release is not as powerful as MJ's version but is IMO the best combo of accuracy and power.

But I'm thinking...maybe MJ's version should be our intent, but feel of what happens is Daryl's version. So we're all correct...hehe

This as a new one on me, and is certainly not indicated by the photos 10-19-B #1 & #2, which suggest a straight line. However, that would clear up a lot of confusion among TGMers.

Certainly, like this at :40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWLt8qsxMAk

Right on! And especially to get good distance with the short irons. :thumleft:

Yes, TGM deals with reality, when HK is talking feelings or intentions, he says so, like when he says the swing should feel heavy, not fast or dainty.

I'm talking about using the Pivot ONLY to uncock the left wrist from a deep release position. The hand path to that deep release position depends on whether you plane shift on the downswing or not. In either case it's the hips which bring the hands down to that deep release position, but from there, there is no firing of PA#1, which would be a max trigger delay Hitting procedure if the Pivot is stalled or a Switting pattern without Pivot stall, which, in either case, for most golfers would be inferior to the cf Swing.

nice....look at my avatar, that's hogan doing what mj is describing, the hips pulling the hands down deep into release all the way through the shot!

Hogan forgot the Right Shoulder.

How exactly does the Pivot move the Hands without moving the shoulders?

The change from random to snap was just more to see if I could do it but really the power difference is very minimal not enough to make much difference for me.

Thanks MJ. Agree with the hips there.

But why is use of PA1 (whether hitting or switting) inferior to CF swing (swinging), especially the switting?

Use of PA1 IMO stabilizes the Sweetspot hence keeps it squarer longer (more like AH wrist action without intending it, I'd like describing it a HH action but looooong HH action). Plus you got to use the R arm, pec and wrist. But I'm talking switting where no pivot stall, which is what's hard at least for me.

I agree. But do we have to think about the R shoulder while using those hips?

I don't follow that. In the avitar. Hogan has turned the hips and tilted. The hips are now "square, the shoulders are back ~45 deg. from the hips and the hands (power package) are ~45 deg back from the shoulders.
The hands have dropped and the shoulders have moved down and are held back (7-13) to provide best support to the hands.
Nohing has released yet but the loading is now at the point Hogan shows in 5 lessons where the "muscle Man" is present.
Where do you think Hogans shoulders should be at this point?

HB

Is that picture part of a swing sequence? If so, can you post the sequence?

Better than that:
All from Hogans "Five Lessons"
The Hogan swing sequence Pages 106-107
With hip/shoulder analysis Pages 122-123
The little "muscle guy" on Page 94
Plus 5 chapters of his personal analysis.

HB