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Hinge vs. Swivel

I think we all agree that Hinging requires Rhythm of the Primary Lever, an undisturbed Clubhead Orbit, and a Clubface Aligned to one of the three Associated Planes.

We may not all agree on Swivel. I view Clubface Rotation as a "Swivel" when the Clubface rotates with an Alignment to anything other than an Associated Plane, such as the Center of Gravity of the Clubhead, or with a True Rotation of the Hands.

But did you know, that the Clubface, when using Hinging, Closes at a much Slower Rate than with a Swivel? This is one of the benefits of Hinging.

Maybe a machine could be built that has a left wrist that only cocks and uncocks and a right that stays bent till after impact a foldable right elbow and ball joint at the shoulders that can tilt and turn on a post. We may have a machine that can only hinge and the hinge type being controlled by the right elbow location and movement. With no swivel till the right arm and wrist strengthen long after impact. Wow, maybe right elbow location is more important than we credit it.

Hb

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 90206)

But did you know, that the Clubface, when using Hinging, Closes at a much Slower Rate than with a Swivel? This is one of the benefits of Hinging.

Is that the main benefit of Hinging ? Clubface control because of the lower rate of closure ? Was it identified before Homer named it, or at least taught somehow ?

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 90206)

I think we all agree that Hinging requires Rhythm of the Primary Lever

For power Id agree ... but what about the old hands only putting style? What about that in concert with Vertical Hinging , intentional Steering. That would be one fine method to putt with........Billy Casper could roll that thing.

Swinging from the wrists is an effective way of shortening the radius... sort of like the grand daddy of gripping down. Its physics again as employed by the thinking mans golfer, or by those fortunate enough to just stumble upon it, like Seve did. He'd grip down to the metal and swing from the wrists for a short trap shot, cross line with a wide open club face and Vertcal Hinging.

You could manipulate any Hinge Action while swinging from the wrists, no? But agreed for normal shots the Hinge Action is not a thing done with the Hands actively..... though it may seem like should be at first. Got to get past that.

TGM short shots are not a to be confused with Basic and Acquired which are stepping stones or a curriculum to an effective Total Motion. Compressed short shots leading to compressed long shots. Beautiful stuff. There are times when they are useful short shot methods yes, often. But ideally you have other options when intentional compression leakage is a better way to go.

Homer had nothing against intentional steering for short shots.

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Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 90212)

Is that the main benefit of Hinging ? Clubface control because of the lower rate of closure ? Was it identified before Homer named it, or at least taught somehow ?

The benefit is Clubface Control. "Control" includes "Clubface Alignment" at Impact, the "Clubface motion" (Closing Only, Closing with Layback, Layback Only) through the Impact Interval and the "Rate of Closing and/or Layback".

It was identified by Homer Kelley. The "Right Forearm Angle of Approach" traveling the "Pulley" determines the Closing Ratio. Another way is "Swiveling".

The Low Rate of Closing is an Important benefit that Hinging Provides. It's important because the amount of Rotation of the Line of Compression during Impact/Separation is only about .37 degrees. Swiveling through Impact has erratic Ball Flight because it isn't possible to control the Closing Rate.

Some more light reading..

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 90213)

For power Id agree ... but what about the old hands only putting style? What about that in concert with Vertical Hinging , intentional Steering. That would be one fine method to putt with........Billy Casper could roll that thing.

Swinging from the wrists is an effective way of shortening the radius... sort of like the grand daddy of gripping down. Its physics again as employed by the thinking mans golfer, or by those fortunate enough to just stumble upon it, like Seve did. He'd grip down to the metal and swing from the wrists for a short trap shot, cross line with a wide open club face and Vertcal Hinging.

You could manipulate any Hinge Action while swinging from the wrists, no?

TGM short shots are not a to be confused with Basic and Acquired which are stepping stones or a curriculum to an effective Total Motion. Compressed short shots leading to compressed long shots. Beautiful stuff. There are times when they are useful short shot methods yes, often. But ideally you have other options when intentional compression leakage is a better way to go.

Homer had nothing against intentional steering for short shots.

Hinging is much easier and vastly more reliable than Swiveling. I think people misunderstand the Hinge because they don't align the Wedges at 90 degrees.

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 90221)

Hinging is much easier and vastly more reliable than Swiveling. I think people misunderstand the Hinge because they don't align the Wedges at 90 degrees.

Daryl,

Love your perspective!!

EC

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 90221)

Hinging is much easier and vastly more reliable than Swiveling. I think people misunderstand the Hinge because they don't align the Wedges at 90 degrees.

You raise an interesting question. The "vertical" of Hinge Action's left hand to the associated Basic Plane alignment. D, do you thinks it's a "geometrically" vertical thing again as opposed to literally vertical? Sorta like geometrically flat ? I think it must be to encompass the turned left hand grip types. From not turned all the way to the fully turned 10-2-D.

How can I describe this better? Say you had a turned left hand grip , turned any amount and you held a ping pong paddle like wise, with the paddles face vertical to the ground . To Hinge properly the paddle would maintain the vertical to the basic plane alignment despite the fact the hand is turned. The hands condition thus being considered "geometrically" vertical though not literally vertical.

Uh maybe I just made it worse with that attempt.

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 90227)

I understand, and it's an interesting comparison. But the Flat Left Wrist is the Flat Left Wrist. If it's Bent or Arched then you sacrifice Rhythm to the extent of it's Bent or Arched condition.

Turning the Left Hand to the Top of the Shaft (10-2-D), you substitute Bending and Arching for Cocking and Uncocking and Visa Versa. The Left Arm Wedge is aligned at 0 degrees (its On Plane at Impact). You'll need to Unbend the Right Wrist because its on the same Plane as the Uncocking Left Wrist. Controlled Throwaway.

While the Right Forearm seeks its Angle of Approach for Impact, it is the responsibility of the Right Forearm Wedge, to return the Left Wrist to whatever Alignments assigned to it at Impact Fix. When the Wedges are Aligned at 90 degrees, it's the function of the Right Forearm Wedge to return the Left Wrist to Vertical, Level and Flat for Impact. It has no choice; it can only do that, it's aligned for that, it exists for that, regardless of Hinge Action. Extensor Action gives the Right Forearm Wedge this control.

Except when using the Elbow Plane, the Right Forearm Wedge is Only On-Plane (Aligned to the Swing Plane) for the Impact Interval unless the Right Shoulder is On-Plane and then, from Impact to Follow-through.

Of course, without Extensor Action you may get as far as a Tour Player. Doomed. Always worried if you'll have your "A" swing today. Always eating someone else's food, driving someone else's car, playing someone else's clubs. Always leaving. Always looking for another trick. :laughing9

As Amateurs, we can rise above that.