tried the ben doyle swing...
 

I've taken the information from Ben's video clips and took it to the range. It's been disasterous for my swing.

Now that i remember it, when I first watched Ben's video two years ago, the results were bad, too.

i enjoy watching Ben swing, but I think his stuff is more difficult to implement than Lynn's or Chuck's.

When i learned from Lynn's site and Chuck's site, I was able to use the information right away to improve my swing.

Its a hard swing to use because of the components....there is a post somewhere on here where BrianManzella said that snap release and/or maximum delay only works for like 5% of golfers.

Its good that you tried though because you know that it just doesn't work for you. You need to find a different component to replace it. That's the beauty of TGM.

i wonder if those golfers that it works for 5% end up being really good golfers ive found ben doyles teaching extremely helpful but as you saw in the ben doyle video the average joe has a very hard time getting it, i know that when i first tried hitting just from learning from lynn and chuck i didnt quite do good because it was different but know i can do either or and perform about the same even though i prefer swinging. also noproblemos im curious what from bens teachings did you try to implement not having clubhead throway and leakage, i could see if youd been hitting that it wouldnt merge good because hitting if you continue to thrust your good. but if your a swinger i dont seee how it couldnt help. btw what is your handicap and do you currently consider yourself a good ballstriker

VERY IMPORTANT!

Ben tries for this pattern, but will 'settle' for much less.

He could easliy teach other patterns, but really feels that shooting for the moon HAS TO BE DONE by some teachers...

...and one of them would be him. :wink:

Learning By Watching...And Then Doing
 

You went to the wrong place, noproblemos. Instead of the range, take Ben's Chip, Pitch and Punch Shots to the Chipping and Pitching Greens.

Learn to hit these little shots crisply, firmly. From a slightly Open Alignment of the entire Body (not just the Stance), position your Head in the dead Center of your Stance and shift your Weight (Hips) slightly left. Your left quad should feel loaded. Set your Flying Wedges properly.

On the Backstroke, use your Right Forearm to take the Club up, back and in On Plane. Your Zone #1 Pivot Components (Feet, Knees, Hips and Shoulders) should support and assist this natural movement. On the Downstroke, with the Body Turn gently leading, use that same Right Forearm to Accelerate and Drive the #3 Pressure Point through Impact. That's Hitting. Alternatively, Swingers should allow the Turning Body to transfer its Momentum into the Accelerating Left Arm and Club and let Centrifugal Force do the work. Either way, keep the Action sharp and take a little Divot.

Hold your Follow-Through at Both Arms Straight. Look, look, LOOK and make sure your Left Wrist has remained Flat and your Right Wrist has remained Bent. Deliberately employ one of the three Hinge Actions and verify that you executed it correctly. Make sure the Clubhead has remained beneath the Hands. Learn to make that Sand Wedge talk: Chip Shots, Pitch and Runs, Cut Shots, Lob Shots, Low Flying Spinners.

Do this 10,000 times -- I am not exaggerating that number -- and then let us know how it's going.

Re: Learning By Watching...And Then Doing
 

Recipe for becoming a PLAYER!!!!!!!

Great post YODA,

EC

Traditional teaching states to open the stance more as the shots get shorter, and place the ball further back, even near the right foot, as the shots get shorter. I was under the impression that the TGM way was to place the ball left of the sternum, and with a parallel, straight stance, even with a chip shot.

Yoda, do you advocate opening the stance more and more as the shots get shorter? Is there a rule of thumb as to how open the stance, and alignment should be as shots get shorter?

Thx

Re: Learning By Watching...And Then Doing
 

I'm up to around 2000 now and I'm finding that it's working great. I really appreciative that you've put these up Yoda. The more times I see the patterns demonstrated, and by different people the more it sinks in.

I've recently found out that my swing is terribly handsy. I've worked so hard on getting my brain into my hands that it's over cooked. I've found an instructor that's taken lessons from Ben and has a good understanding of TGM so he's helping me with my pattern using some of the knowledge from his Ben lessons.

Chip, pitch, punch!

PS. LOOK carefully at how the tire moves when he hits it. It should shed some light on the down out and FORWARD. No double dribbling!

Re: Learning By Watching...And Then Doing
 

It's actually good to hear that there are people who are having success with this style.

Thanks for the comments in this thread. everybody's posts were helpful.

Re: Learning By Watching...And Then Doing
 

I prefer to think of it as a different way to explain it... or even simply a different voice to the same sentence.

Wedges intact, check
Flat left wrist, check
Bent right, check
Lagging clubhead, check
Chip sounds like you just hit a rock, check

Imparitives all there :) The rest is up to you.