Shoulder Turn Takeaway and hitting
 

To anyone out there that is a successful hitter, is there any reason you can't use shoulder turn takeaway and hit? I've always thought a hitter should use right forearm pickup, but lately I've had much better success using shoulder turn, then driving with the right arm?

Thanks

The On Plane Right Forearm Takeaway
 

Both Hitter and Swinger must Turn their Right Shoulder back to the Plane. However, neither must allow the Body bully to have its way with the Hands, that is, to pull them inside the Line (and under the Plane) during the Start Up.

Remember the Hands are already On Plane. The Right Shoulder is not. Therefore, the Shoulder must Turn back to the Plane (its job) while the Hands remain On Plane (their job). And the player's means of accomplishing this geometric purpose is...

The On-Line Right Forearm Takeaway.

Question re: Takeaway
 

Yoda,

Just wondering whether it's possible to classify this takeaway

http://home.comcast.net/~wride/moe_takeaway.jpg

as either RFT or STT (or neither)? I find that I play best when thinking of passing through this position, but get there most consistently when feeling that I'm starting by pushing back with my left arm, then lifting with my right arm once I get there. I'm a bit worried that it doesn't feel like either RFT or STT, but still ... it works for me! :)

how fast can you spin your flywheel?
 

For a swinger, the backswing has a physics purpose in addition to the geometric purpose. If your flexible enough, the RFP won't give you the required physics for a max power swing.

staying on topic
 

The amount of arm "upness" in the BS can put the hands in the right spot at the top of an STT.

Moe's Right Forearm Takeaway
 

I think Moe subconsciously used his Right Forearm to guide his Takeaway. Certainly, he did not let his Shoulder Turn drag the Club deeply inside ('under Plane'), and despite his extreme Extension at Address -- his Left Wrist is fully Uncocked and his Right Arm is very straight -- his Right Elbow folds nicely during Start Up.

Moe was very conscious of the Straight Line Baseline of his Inclined Plane and constantly referenced it in his discussion of the Stroke. In fact, he often told the story of how, as a teenager learning his swing, he placed a coin well back along the Line to make sure he stayed On Line during his Backstroke.

Moe's Coin Drill
 

Yoda,

Todd Graves, who knew Moe well, has included Moe's Coin Drill as one of his online ETips. For those interested, scroll down the list of Available Albums and choose the one called "The Coin", then click on Change Album.

http://www.swinglikemoe.com/index.php?pr=ETips&=SID

Moe's Bent, Level and Motionless Right Wrist
 

Thank you, TGMfan, for this most informative link. I believe this is proprietary information and hereby inform any interested party that we will remove it from our site immediately upon request. In fact, I will call Todd Graves tomorrow -- whose site I have visited in recent months and whose work I respect -- and let him know that this material has been posted on our site and that we would like it to remain.

Meanwhile, I think it is good stuff. I would recommend, however, that members review carefully the Downstroke/Release photo (#9) in the Advanced/Grip Instruction Thread (the opening sequence and the only one I've reviewed). In addition to the mandatory Bent Right Wrist (wrinkles at the back of the Hand), it illustrates a Cocked condition of the Right Wrist (wrinkles at the base of the thumb). Mr. Norman himself maintained a Bent and Level Right Wrist (first right knuckle in line with the right Forearm). The Right Forearm Flying Wedge.

No wrinkles at the base of the thumb.

Think about it.

Because you should be setting up in an impact fix condition when using hitting, a STT will DRASTICALLY drag the club inside and i personally think it would cause problems BUT there is always a way to make things work (ie Furyk)