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Analysis
I enjoyed the G.S.E.D. analysis(Mr. Hart) of the Peter Croker system.
I think it would be interesting and educational to have the same type of G.S.E.D. analysis of say... Natural Golf, Gravity Golf, Jimmy Ballard Golf, and maybe a standard Leadbetter Golf swing. |
The Biter Gets Bit!
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Start with Jimmy's stuff, and I'll chime in. :salut: |
Anyone willing to have a look at the Gary Edwin swing?
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Gravity Golf - the ultimate float loading swing, in balance, with pivot control and a fairly steep plane angle.
Learn right hand and left hand. The 'swinging force', well described. |
Ballard
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BALLARD GRIP TYPE-- Weak Single Action- says his grip preference is modeled after Ben Hogan's grip STROKE BASIC-- Most likely PITCH, but with the RIGHT SIDED EMPHASIS, could also use PUNCH. STROKE VARIATION-- 1-2-3 or Four Barrel. Jimmy does emphasize the #4 Connection, but it is loaded at address, and does not appear to unload, so it may not be a very effective #4 Accumulator. PLANE LINE-- SQUARE-SQUARE PLANE ANGLE-- Not certain about this one, but probably the TURNING SHOULDER PLANE(1st Description) Jimmy wants the elbows to stay pointing down throughout the swing. ADDRESS-- Standard HINGE ACTION-- Dual Horizontal, or Angled PRESSURE POINT COMBINATION-- Probably 1-3, but some of Jimmy's people are probably Swinging, so maybe a 2-3 for them. PIVOT--Standard SHOULDER TURN-- Rotated HIP TURN-- A Variation of Slide Hip Turn... especially on the Backstroke HIP ACTION-- Standard KNEE ACTION-- Right Anchor FOOT ACTION-- Flat Left LEFT WRIST ACTION-- Single Wrist Takeaway, but Jimmy likes a Double Action Left Wrist at the Top LAG LOADING-- Drive... in most cases. Some, however, could be "firing the right side," and this is actually activating the #4 Accumulator, so these people may be Swinging. THROW-- Right Arm or Right Shoulder He says to "fire the right side." POWER PACKAGE ASSEMBLY-- Probably A, B, or C Top, Side or End(Mr. Yoda, what do you think here?) POWER PACKAGE LOADING-- Random, but could be Full Sweep POWER PACKAGE DELIVERY-- Straight Line POWER PACKAGE RELEASE-- Any of the Sweep Releases Jimmy does not like people to "DRAG the handle." There may be actually some "X" Classifications with Mr. Ballard. One of the interesting things with his technique, is that it could probably actually be Hitting or Swinging, depending on how each player "fires his right side." |
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For trigger type, I believe Ballard is using Homer's combination of "Shoulder Turn Throw" and "Wrist Throw"....not a right arm throw....Ballard appears to be firing the right hip and shoulder not the right arm (arms are passive)...it's a swing with transfer of momentum with the above trigger combination... Hip Action - I believe it's standard. Plane Angle Variation - Double Shift. Deliver Path - Top Arc and Angled Line. Lag Loading - combination of drag and downstroke loading. DG |
Leadbetter Stroke pattern - Based on drawn sequence and my understanding of what he teaches based on his book 'the golf swing'...
1 Grip-Basic - Overlap 2 Grip type - hmmm its kinda closish to a 10-2-B but not quite 3 Stroke-Basic - Pitch 4 Stroke-Variation - Triple Barrel 5 Plane Line - Square Square 6 Plane Angle-Basic - X classification - nearest turned shoulder plane.... 7 Plane Angle-Variation - X classification - nearest variation double shift... 8 Fix - does he know about fix? 9 Address - Standard 10 Hinge Action - Angled 11 PP combo - should be triple 2/3/4 12 Pivot - Standard 13 Shoulder Turn - Rotated 14 Hip Turn - Standard 15 Hip Action - Standard 16 Knee Action - Right Anchor 17 Foot Action - Flat Left 18 Left Wrist Action - Standard 19 Lag Loading - Drag 20 Trigger Type - Wrist throw 21 Power Package Assembly Point - End 22 Power Package Loading Action - Full Sweep 23 Power Package Delivery Path - Angled Line 24 Power Package Release - Random Sweep Might not be completely right... |
Plane angle - Variation
Do you think the term "plane shift" is apt when what most /all people do ( including Leadbetter - hence your X classification) is a "plane drift"?
Plane angle can readily be defined at 4 points in all swings. 1. Address 2. Left arm horizontal to ground 3. Top/end of backstroke 4. Impact plus maybe Follow through/ both arms straight. Most golfers ( I would argue all golfers) drift planes between these positions. During drift the butt/end of club rarely points at target line unless the drift happens rapidly around clubshaft horizontal ( and therefore ideally parallel to plane line). Leadbetter people basically are double shifters - categorised by their address / impact location and top/end of backstroke positions. They may drift a bit more than others off TGM plane at left arm horizontal but 90 % of people drift not shift! |
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Because the club is always on this plane, one end points at the line or is parallel to it, it is the whole entire club maintaining a straight line relationship to the plane line. Even when the plane shifts because the plane rotates around the impact point plane line, you are still either pointing to the plane line or are parallel. Going from one plane angle to another does not mean you go offplane as you travel between them. Now, maybe I don't appreciate the genious of Leadbetter:rolleyes:, but to me his procedure as described and depicted is basically offplane on both the backstroke and downstroke. There can be no downplane force directly towards the plane line, on a plane, any plane, when he believes what he does esp in the downstroke with his parallel lines (club pointing outwards beyond the plane line). He basically tries to get golfers to get the clubhead traveling in a big warped circle....although the good golfers he teaches don't do this.... That is why I listed as X classification with the nearest geometrically correct variation being double shift.... |
How many "TGM shifters" truly have their tip/butt ends really pointing at a single plane line during the shift?
Unless it happens near instantaneously around club horizontal to the ground/parallel to plane line then a shift is almost always off plane until it re-establishes a pointing-at-the-plane-line position. That is what I mean by drift - a gradual off plane movement which is needed to re-establish on plane shaft/sweetspot plane after a shift. |
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