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wanole 10-19-2005 02:46 PM

Accumulator #3
 
I was going through the archives and came across a ton of info.

I saw this below and do not understand what is meant by the angles and how they affect the shot. Why are we alternating grips for different shots?

If a greater #3 Angle is desired, the Club is positioned more under the Heel of the Hand. If less is desired, it is positioned more toward the Cup (but still under the Heel). If Zero #3 is desired, the Club is actually positioned in the Cup.

Yoda also says minimal #3 for maximum power in a snap release.

drewitgolf 10-19-2005 03:18 PM

If its three, its for me.
 
As #3 is zeroed out, you will produce the Rhythm of Angled Hinging regardless of the Hinge action you are trying to employ. Very useful for short game shots.

wanole 10-19-2005 03:49 PM

what does zero'd out mean? I never understood that.

drewitgolf 10-19-2005 04:30 PM

What's your angle?
 
Look at a player at address down the target line, there is usually an angle between the left arm and clubshaft. Although the left wrist is in the Level condition (4-B-1 & 2-J-1), the club is usually on an angle to the left hand (under the heel of the hand). If that angle does do exist (all in one line) it is zeroed out. You can also get the same condition by having the left wrist fully uncocked condition, no angle.

wanole 10-19-2005 04:42 PM

gotcha..thanks

So, less angle you have less flail giving you less power?

drewitgolf 10-19-2005 06:26 PM

Don't mix up #2 (Wrist Motion) and #3 Accumulators (Hand Motion) per 4-D-0. The #3 should never be "out of line", instead it seeks to maintain its radial alignment with the Left Arm and Left Wrist vertical to its associated plane.

tongzilla 10-19-2005 07:58 PM

The confusing accumulator
 
Wanole:

Accumulator #3 is probably one of the more confusing Accumulators. That's how I find it anyway. Probably because it's interrelated with so many other things.

I prefer to view it as the angle formed between Clubshaft and Left Arm when the Wrist is Level as drewitgolf said earlier. There can only be an angle formed if you put the grip under your heel pad. If it goes in the thumb pad (e.g. in putting), then there won't be an angle when your Wrist is Level.
The confusing bit is that if your Left wrist is Cocked (i.e. Accumulator #2), that also counts as accumulator #3 even though you may initially have zero Clubshaft/Left Arm angle when your Left Wrist was Level.

In case you were wondering what "maintaining its radial alignment" means, it's basically about keeping a Flat Left Wrist, so the Clubshaft and Left Arm forms a straight line when you're looking perpendicular at it (but not if you're looking sideways because of the Acc #3 angle). So in that sense, it's never "out-of-line", but in-line.

All other things being equal, more Accumulator #3 equals greater Clubhead travel distance with the same amount of Roll with your Left Wrist. This equates to more Clubhead speed. But all other things are not equal because the more Accumulator #3 you have, the sooner you have to start Uncocking your Left Wrist (releasing Accumulator #2) which prevents the Trigger Delay needed in a Snap Release.

For those still incubating, you must make the link between the following:
  • Rhythm
  • Hinge Action
  • Flat Left Wrist
  • Accumulator #3
  • Clubhead Travel
  • Left Wrist Roll/Motion
  • Lag Loading

The above list may confuse you even more (I hope not!), or it may help you. Due to time constraints at the moment, I cannot go into detail about their interrelatedness.
:neutral:

neil 10-19-2005 09:03 PM

#3 accumulator
 
If you choke down on the grip with your left hand with the grip in the cup of your hand and keep the butt of the grip against the underneath of your left forearm the " ULNA "your left wrist will be level or if you take your normal grip(under the pad)and uncock your left wrist This will "zero out" acc#3.If you try hitting chip shots with both hands on the club using just acc#1 you will get the feel of acc#3(not being there!).This might sound bass ackwards but Yoda had me doing this early in my recent lesson ...quote..."we are going to hit shots with the least power first"I expected at least a chip...but I never understood acc#3!!!!!!:D .This also gave me my first aquaintence with......EXTENSOR ACTION!!!.This might not have been Yodas intention so early in the lesson BUT I SUSPECT IT WAS!!!

12 piece bucket 10-19-2005 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Wanole:

Accumulator #3 is probably one of the more confusing Accumulators. That's how I find it anyway. Probably because it's interrelated with so many other things.

I prefer to view it as the angle formed between Clubshaft and Left Arm when the Wrist is Level as drewitgolf said earlier. There can only be an angle formed if you put the grip under your heel pad. If it goes in the thumb pad (e.g. in putting), then there won't be an angle when your Wrist is Level.
The confusing bit is that if your Left wrist is Cocked (i.e. Accumulator #2), that also counts as accumulator #3 even though you may initially have zero Clubshaft/Left Arm angle when your Left Wrist was Level.

In case you were wondering what "maintaining its radial alignment" means, it's basically about keeping a Flat Left Wrist, so the Clubshaft and Left Arm forms a straight line when you're looking perpendicular at it (but not if you're looking sideways because of the Acc #3 angle). So in that sense, it's never "out-of-line", but in-line.

All other things being equal, more Accumulator #3 equals greater Clubhead travel distance with the same amount of Roll with your Left Wrist. This equates to more Clubhead speed. But all other things are not equal because the more Accumulator #3 you have, the sooner you have to start Uncocking your Left Wrist (releasing Accumulator #2) which prevents the Trigger Delay needed in a Snap Release.

For those still incubating, you must make the link between the following:
  • Rhythm
  • Hinge Action
  • Flat Left Wrist
  • Accumulator #3
  • Clubhead Travel
  • Left Wrist Roll/Motion
  • Lag Loading

The above list may confuse you even more (I hope not!), or it may help you. Due to time constraints at the moment, I cannot go into detail about their interrelatedness.
:neutral:

Strong post! Nice job setting this up. We can definitely go deeper here.

phillygolf 10-19-2005 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Wanole:



For those still incubating, you must make the link between the following:
  • Rhythm
  • Hinge Action
  • Flat Left Wrist
  • Accumulator #3
  • Clubhead Travel
  • Left Wrist Roll/Motion
  • Lag Loading

The above list may confuse you even more (I hope not!), or it may help you. Due to time constraints at the moment, I cannot go into detail about their interrelatedness.
:neutral:

Hello Tongzilla...

I'd like to check out your interrelatedness on this....I am a bit rusty (no doubt!) and am looking forward to seeing it when you have the time!!!

BTW, good post.

Patrick


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