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tgmnut 10-16-2006 10:16 PM

Where do I start?
 
Okay, I've been hitting for a little while now, and I have two swings posted on the internet to hopefully get some feedback. In a couple of days I hope to have two down the line shots, but oh well. Anyways, my question is what one or two three things should I isolate and try to work on. Any ideas are appreciated.
Thanks

http://www.moozcat.com/swing.html

12 piece bucket 10-16-2006 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tgmnut
Okay, I've been hitting for a little while now, and I have two swings posted on the internet to hopefully get some feedback. In a couple of days I hope to have two down the line shots, but oh well. Anyways, my question is what one or two three things should I isolate and try to work on. Any ideas are appreciated.
Thanks

http://www.moozcat.com/swing.html

Dude you make the same move I make . . . . a foward Sway. You need Axis Tilt and your Head needs to stay back.

From down the line you have to be over the Plane and Roundhousing.

You have to get your Hips moving before your Shoulders. The Right Hip has to clear so your Right Shoulder can move Down and not OUT. Also you head needs to stay back more.

To you it's going to feel like HUGE reverse C . . . but when you watch it will not be.

I'll be interested to hear what others say because I do the same thing. At least to me it hasn't been easy going.

Maybe try starting your downswing with the hip moving forward while they are still turned . .. also feel like somebody has an ice pick right at your left temple and if you move forward . . . see ya!

Where are your misses? Flare rights and snappers? Your hands looked good . . . but educated hands can only do so much to overcome a faulty pivot.

Time for the heavies to chime in . . . I'm with you man! I need to get this thing licked too.

tgmnut 10-17-2006 07:31 AM

:BangHead:
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Dude you make the same move I make . . . . a foward Sway. You need Axis Tilt and your Head needs to stay back.

From down the line you have to be over the Plane and Roundhousing.

You have to get your Hips moving before your Shoulders. The Right Hip has to clear so your Right Shoulder can move Down and not OUT. Also you head needs to stay back more.

To you it's going to feel like HUGE reverse C . . . but when you watch it will not be.

I'll be interested to hear what others say because I do the same thing. At least to me it hasn't been easy going.

Maybe try starting your downswing with the hip moving forward while they are still turned . .. also feel like somebody has an ice pick right at your left temple and if you move forward . . . see ya!

Where are your misses? Flare rights and snappers? Your hands looked good . . . but educated hands can only do so much to overcome a faulty pivot.

Time for the heavies to chime in . . . I'm with you man! I need to get this thing licked too.


You nailed it, flare rights and snappers, although snaps are rare, I don't flip my hands very often. I kind of thought I had too much forward sway, but I wanted some confirmation from someone else. Thanks. Okay people, keep it comin'.

EdZ 10-17-2006 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tgmnut
Okay, I've been hitting for a little while now, and I have two swings posted on the internet to hopefully get some feedback. In a couple of days I hope to have two down the line shots, but oh well. Anyways, my question is what one or two three things should I isolate and try to work on. Any ideas are appreciated.
Thanks

http://www.moozcat.com/swing.html

Work on some feet together swings to learn to get those arms swinging a bit better and help you learn to have a steady head. Check out the Tomesello letter series #2 as well. Most importantly, focus on the hands. Swing the hands and let the body respond. You've got pivot controled hands in this clip.

A great image that should help you in this case is to imagine you swing your hands past your chin before the body responds. You need to feel 'back to the target' sensation and let the hands motion pull you through 'under' the left shoulder.

12 piece bucket 10-17-2006 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tgmnut
:BangHead:


You nailed it, flare rights and snappers, although snaps are rare, I don't flip my hands very often. I kind of thought I had too much forward sway, but I wanted some confirmation from someone else. Thanks. Okay people, keep it comin'.

Dude . . . You and I have twin golf swings . . . My hands are good but my Pivot and Plane is whackdiddy-whack.

Take deep divots?

I'll be here learning from advice directed to you! Maybe we should take up a collection . . . pass the plate!

Oh and another thing too . . . when you address the ball and look down at your hands . . . can you see the grip cap? If so how much all, some or none? Looks like to me you have a pretty turned left hand but you are at Adjusted Address and not Fix so it's hard to say 100%. You put this in the Hitting Section so I would assume you Hit? If so you may want to work on a Fix Address and definitely get your Right Forearm in the Plane of the Clubshaft. If that don't make sense we can talk about the Right Forearm Flying Wedge because you need to become intimate with the RFFW if you are gonna be a hitter.

Also if you do have a turned left hand and you want to keep it that way (10-2-D Grip), you need to understand how to release the club based on your grip type.

Holla Back! Hopefully someone can better address how to get you Tilted because I can't do that myself . . . but you need to do it.

B

tgmnut 10-17-2006 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Dude . . . You and I have twin golf swings . . . My hands are good but my Pivot and Plane is whackdiddy-whack.

Take deep divots?

I'll be here learning from advice directed to you! Maybe we should take up a collection . . . pass the plate!

Oh and another thing too . . . when you address the ball and look down at your hands . . . can you see the grip cap? If so how much all, some or none? Looks like to me you have a pretty turned left hand but you are at Adjusted Address and not Fix so it's hard to say 100%. You put this in the Hitting Section so I would assume you Hit? If so you may want to work on a Fix Address and definitely get your Right Forearm in the Plane of the Clubshaft. If that don't make sense we can talk about the Right Forearm Flying Wedge because you need to become intimate with the RFFW if you are gonna be a hitter.

Also if you do have a turned left hand and you want to keep it that way (10-2-D Grip), you need to understand how to release the club based on your grip type.

Holla Back! Hopefully someone can better address how to get you Tilted because I can't do that myself . . . but you need to do it.

B

B,
I can barely see the grip cap if at all at address, but I'm curious as to why you ask. Also, I am at adjusted address, and left wrist is usually pretty vertical, not turned. I think the size and shape of my hand has something to do with that illusion. I do hit, and I know that most hitters use a fix address with their right forearm on plane to help maintain the RFFW, but I am much more comfortable with the classic address. I experimented with both when I started hitting and I have had much better luck with the classic address. The very first move back in my motion is me setting my right forearm on plane, which I do pretty consistently. After reading your first comments I went back and watched both videos and I think I make a pretty big sway towards the target with my irons, but not nearly as much of one with my driver. Which may explain why I do take deep divots pretty frequently like you guessed. Let's see if we can't lick these faults. I'm all in with ya' to fix this stuff.

R

sdsurfmore 10-17-2006 01:58 PM

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tgm and twelve piece..i too had that same sway issue just ask ted and yoda theve seen it and cringed... that was almost one year ago..the two things that helped me were opening up my stance and feeling that my plane line was going to right field and more extensor action...i practice in my flipflops and can smooth it 280 with NO SWAY...YEAHHHH!!!!!

12 piece bucket 10-17-2006 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tgmnut
B,
I can barely see the grip cap if at all at address, but I'm curious as to why you ask. Also, I am at adjusted address, and left wrist is usually pretty vertical, not turned. I think the size and shape of my hand has something to do with that illusion. I do hit, and I know that most hitters use a fix address with their right forearm on plane to help maintain the RFFW, but I am much more comfortable with the classic address. I experimented with both when I started hitting and I have had much better luck with the classic address. The very first move back in my motion is me setting my right forearm on plane, which I do pretty consistently. After reading your first comments I went back and watched both videos and I think I make a pretty big sway towards the target with my irons, but not nearly as much of one with my driver. Which may explain why I do take deep divots pretty frequently like you guessed. Let's see if we can't lick these faults. I'm all in with ya' to fix this stuff.

R

Ok boss . . . The reason I asked is this . . . I want you to take the same grip you take everday . . . look down . . . what is keeping you from seeing the grip cap? Look at address and fix? In my case it is my left forearm/wrist which means . . . your wrist ain't vertical at Fix. So try this . . . get your left hand on the club so you can see the cap at fix . . . that should be vertical.

Now you don't have to change your grip if it is turned to the plane but you do need to understand how to release it properly.

If you are turned and you want to stay that way . . . read this thread . . . particularly the quotes from Yoda about hammering the wall.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2307

Holla back.

tgmnut 10-17-2006 08:26 PM

Okay 12 Piece, now that I understand completely what you mean and I have been to the driving range, I have to change my answer. The heel pad on my hand usually blocks my view of the grip cap. When taking my normal grip I can see probably over 3/4ths of the grip cap at classic address and pretty much all of it at impact fix. Also, thanks Surf! At the range I hit almost every ball with an open stance. I laid down a club pointing at the target, then took my stance open relative to the club. After experimenting just a little with ball position I was hitting the ball more solid, straighter, and definitely higher with my 7 iron (a little higher with driver). Hey Bucket, what do you think of the open stance thing? Seems to me if Ted and Lynn had Surf do it, it might not be a bad thing.
Holla
Just remembered, my divots shallowed out quite a bit. Very nice to see. Any chance you have video of your swing I could see?

12 piece bucket 10-17-2006 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tgmnut
Okay 12 Piece, now that I understand completely what you mean and I have been to the driving range, I have to change my answer. The heel pad on my hand usually blocks my view of the grip cap. When taking my normal grip I can see probably over 3/4ths of the grip cap at classic address and pretty much all of it at impact fix. Also, thanks Surf! At the range I hit almost every ball with an open stance. I laid down a club pointing at the target, then took my stance open relative to the club. After experimenting just a little with ball position I was hitting the ball more solid, straighter, and definitely higher with my 7 iron (a little higher with driver). Hey Bucket, what do think of the open stance thing? Seems to me if Ted and Lynn had Surf do it, it might not be a bad thing.
Holla
Just remembered, my divots shallowed out quite a bit. Very nice to see. Any chance you have video of your swing I could see?

Remember per 2-J-2 . . . "Don’t hesitate to change your Stance Line – for physical and psychological reasons or for the situation at hand. Stance Line does not affect the Plane or Target Line. Just use the corresponding Pivot per 10-12 and don’t be misled by the apparent results – your “Down-the-Target-Line Impact” could be just a well executed Push Shot. Even from an ASSUMED Square-Square position. And your apparently Outside-In Impacts may actually be fine Pull Shots. Study 2-L.

The Plane Line is the BOSSMAN . . . and he don't care about your feet. I like the open stance. If you hit what are you going to do though? Are you using the Geometric Plane Line and tracing it? Or are you going to use the 10-5-E Visual Equivalent Plane Line Cross-Line to Right Field?

There are PLENTY of the dudes that make enough money to buy and sell me and you and Mike O that play from an Open Stance. So smoke 'em if you got 'em my friend. My favorite of all time Lee Buck does it . . . so make it happen Capt'n.

I'm not smart enough to figure out how to get video of my flickdid move out here. I have an 8mm video camera. I can mail you a tape though.

How big a boy are you? What's your handicap? Do you hit the short irons better than the long irons? Can you hit the driver straight? I was just wondering cause we may have been separated at birf. I of course being much much prettier'n you.


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