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12 piece bucket 02-23-2005 01:13 AM

10-2-D GRIP AND PADDLE-WHEEL MOTION
 
Ok guys, here's the description of 10-2-D Grip. I fight the left shot and need some help getting this first in my mind and next into my game:

10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION T/V/A Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. The #3 Pressure Point and the left thumb are also on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. Double Action – same as 10-2-C.

Very compatible with the Cut Shot procedures. Any Left Wrist Bend at Impact Fix should be maintained throughout the Stroke.

This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See 10-10-C.


So since this Grip Type is compatible with Cut Shot procedures AND moves toward Impact in a paddle-wheel motion (Angled Hinging) is this a better Hitter's Grip than Swinger's Grip since Hitting tends toward Angled Hinging?

Also, the books says explictly "no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact." So with this grip should you have a sort of "hold" or "hold off" feel?

And one more . . .

Could you guys give so description of paddle-wheel for fog clearing? I'm assuming if I don't paddle-wheel with this grip and get the Roll on before Impact, then it's "Hello Left Woods my old friend?" :cry:

Thanks a ton!

Richard

annikan skywalker 02-23-2005 11:34 AM

Brother 12 Piece,
I am currently collecting a data base using the stroke pattern checklists in chapter 12 with my PGM Students...10-2-D is the grip of choice for many of the "diagnosed" hitters. Here's perhaps a few educated guesses;
1.) Pre-Turned Grips are usually associated with no additional rotation necessary in during Backstroke.
2.) Uncocking will perform BOTH release motions(4-D-0)
3.) Compatible with Angled Hinging Rhythm.
4.) An "adjustable clamp" which places the left thumb and line of the left wrist cock (also in line with the plane of the right wrist bend) on the Aft Side of the shaft so there can be wrist motion and hand motion in the same plane of motion...Sounds like someone could be "chopping wood" with an Axe-handle technique to me!

This grip type is excellent for those who like to get away with 'Uneducated Hands"!!!

Annikan

EdZ 02-23-2005 03:20 PM

Yes, it does simplify what the hands must do - by a lot. The biggest advantage of 10-2-D IMO is that it really makes it tougher to have throw away, and makes it easier to get your delievery/approach - everything is in line -

The place to start learning compression - with a disadvantage of somewhat less clubface control - but still more than most are 'trying' to play with.

Also very helpful for learning downplane 'through' impact - to both arms straight - no real manipulation needed - just one big thrust downplane to both arms straight.

Alex Morrison knew what he was doing, almost got it, but 'got away' with it because of his grip =D>

Rockabye Baby

lagster 02-23-2005 04:40 PM

Re: 10-2-D GRIP AND PADDLE-WHEEL MOTION
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Ok guys, here's the description of 10-2-D Grip. I fight the left shot and need some help getting this first in my mind and next into my game:

10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION T/V/A Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. The #3 Pressure Point and the left thumb are also on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. Double Action – same as 10-2-C.

Very compatible with the Cut Shot procedures. Any Left Wrist Bend at Impact Fix should be maintained throughout the Stroke.

This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See 10-10-C.


So since this Grip Type is compatible with Cut Shot procedures AND moves toward Impact in a paddle-wheel motion (Angled Hinging) is this a better Hitter's Grip than Swinger's Grip since Hitting tends toward Angled Hinging?

Also, the books says explictly "no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact." So with this grip should you have a sort of "hold" or "hold off" feel?

And one more . . .

Could you guys give so description of paddle-wheel for fog clearing? I'm assuming if I don't paddle-wheel with this grip and get the Roll on before Impact, then it's "Hello Left Woods my old friend?" :cry:

Thanks a ton!

Richard

Trevino uses a grip similar to that. He says he is a "Blocker." In TGM-speak that is a form of Angled Hinging.

12 piece bucket 02-23-2005 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Brother 12 Piece,
I am currently collecting a data base using the stroke pattern checklists in chapter 12 with my PGM Students...10-2-D is the grip of choice for many of the "diagnosed" hitters. Here's perhaps a few educated guesses;
1.) Pre-Turned Grips are usually associated with no additional rotation necessary in during Backstroke.
2.) Uncocking will perform BOTH release motions(4-D-0)
3.) Compatible with Angled Hinging Rhythm.
4.) An "adjustable clamp" which places the left thumb and line of the left wrist cock (also in line with the plane of the right wrist bend) on the Aft Side of the shaft so there can be wrist motion and hand motion in the same plane of motion...Sounds like someone could be "chopping wood" with an Axe-handle technique to me!

This grip type is excellent for those who like to get away with 'Uneducated Hands"!!!

Annikan

Thank you sir. I saw EC today and he schooled me on 10-2-D. He said he didn't think I was "flaming" 10-2-D'er. Based on the description I thought I was, but now when I look at the picture my left hand is Turned but not "super" turned as in the picture.

Do you think there's grey that exists between 10-2-B and 10-2-D?

We hit some shots. I'm not sure my lefties are a result of my Turned Left Hand now. I had let the club creep way under the Left Hand heel pad. We changed that to less turned and less under the pad. Ball go high. Ball go far. Ball no go left.

annikan skywalker 02-23-2005 10:56 PM

Bucket,
There's all kinds of grey...Light grey, Dark grey, grey- grey, Silver, Platinum....The wrist can be rotated a wide variety of ways....The more the ball location moves back from loe point and there can be more and more shaft lean...i would rotate the grip proportionately. I believe the classifications in 10-2 are exactly that a way of classifyting ththe variations. but definitely does not cover every "little degree"

Grip type and Hinge Action must be COMPATIBLE !

Annikan

broberts5 07-22-2005 11:17 AM

Mention of Alex Morrison causes me to reminiss: My first teacher of note was Henry Picard--5 years. One time I told Henry I was having problems breaking down with the left wrist. He put my left hand basically in a four knuckle grip position and said now I would have to break the bone to break down. That has served well as emergency help for students with massive throwaway.
By the way, I let Mr. Picard read my copy of the golfing Machine: he loved parts of it. I have the only copy in existence of the golfing Machine with notes by Henry Picard--what a treasure!

nevermind 07-22-2005 10:47 PM

Im also somewhere between 10-2-B and 10-2-D. I've had a tac-tic for a little while now and find that it's very difficult to not have a Slight bend of the left wrist near the Top, if I go for 10-2-B that is not the case. I can't full swing with 10-2-B.

Does a degree of turn in the lead wrist grip lead to some wrist bend, the more turn the more bend?

Matt 07-23-2005 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevermind
Im also somewhere between 10-2-B and 10-2-D. I've had a tac-tic for a little while now and find that it's very difficult to not have a Slight bend of the left wrist near the Top, if I go for 10-2-B that is not the case. I can't full swing with 10-2-B.

Does a degree of turn in the lead wrist grip lead to some wrist bend, the more turn the more bend?

Usually yes, which is why there is a contingency for a "geometrically" flat left wrist in the book.

nevermind 07-23-2005 10:44 PM

thanks mate :)


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