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Daryl 06-08-2009 11:58 AM

Bio Mechanics
 
Bio Mechanics.

Wow, a lot of stuff has popped up on the web using or talking in terms of Bio Mechanics to help understand and improve ones Golf Swing.

I could be totally wrong, but didn't bio mechanics lead to "position golf"?

Richie3Jack 06-10-2009 04:27 PM

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I could be totally wrong, but didn't bio mechanics lead to "position golf"?
I think if it has been mis-applied it leads to 'position golf.' But from my understanding bio-mechanics is basically the study of how the body can move and its range of motions. For instance, I'm right handed...play golf right handed, but I'm left eye dominant. Because of this, in order for me to 'see the ball' I keep my head down a bit longer through the swing. I'm not thinking 'keep your head down', I'm just trying to see the ball which is a pretty natural instinct. Probably not the best example, but that's sort of what I get from understanding bio-mechanics.




3JACK

fearlessgolfer 06-10-2009 06:40 PM

bio-mechanics
 
Hello everyone. First time posting here in Lynn's site, altho I have been a member over a year.


Having had learned 3+years of bio-mechanically derived golfswing, which incidently was the same instructor taught Brian Gay as well. And no its not Leadbetter.

Bio-Mechancal golfswing seems to be new "buzz word" that every Tom, Dick and Harry attatch their golfswings or teachings these days.

My former instructor who taught a golfswing was based on human kinetics which seeked efficiency of movement based on our anatomy.

Bio-mechanics of human anatomy can be like that of religion which has several denominations. In the world of golf and golfswings, there going to be different views of how and what if efficient, hence, different swing theories even in bio-mechanics. Although there should be only one way of true, superior, efficient human movement making the golfswing, based on our anatomy, different theories are being taught using the scientific data. And, yes, I agree that we are made different, but we should be able to use same kinetic link and muscle firing patterns.

Who is right or who is better? It is something that the time will tell us. Perhaps someone with more of indepth knowledge can post more detailed point of view.

My goal is to be that of a student of learning from this site, I have very lil knowledge of TGM, hence maybe asking some same redundent questions which been asked 1001 times prior.

Thanks Lynn aka Yoda for this forum of learning and exchanging ideas.

Btw, thanks for your help brother Daryl:)

O.B.Left 06-11-2009 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 64795)
Bio Mechanics.

Wow, a lot of stuff has popped up on the web using or talking in terms of Bio Mechanics to help understand and improve ones Golf Swing.

I could be totally wrong, but didn't bio mechanics lead to "position golf"?




I think golf instruction may have taken a wrong turn with the introduction of photos to golf instruction books. The Melhournes and McDonalds etc of the twenties or earlier promoted a motion not a series of positions.

I imagine the pros of the 1940's looking at the photos that were to accompany their books and sort of writing something like "Well alright, here I am at the top of my swing, my club is parallel to the ground now". Despite the fact that what they'd actually feel, sense, direct was something totally different. The positions were real alright but the pros swings couldnt be replicated by merely copping their positions.

And so here we are back at the beginning in a way. Golf is a motion. Although Homer has given us Geometry and Alignments. This reminds me of something, not sure what?

Ob

Daryl 06-12-2009 07:19 AM

Alignment Golf has a language developed by Homer Kelley. One of his greatest of his many great contributions.

But we try to understand Alignments through Positions, because that's the only language we understand. Me too. But once I learned a few Alignments, then a few more and more, it's becoming clearer. Now I look for Alignments and I can tell if someone is out of position. What's next? I don't know.

GPStyles 06-12-2009 07:40 AM

Head up Welch technologies if you want to the best biomechanic around.

O.B.Left 06-12-2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 64940)
Alignment Golf has a language developed by Homer Kelley. One of his greatest of his many great contributions.

But we try to understand Alignments through Positions, because that's the only language we understand. Me too. But once I learned a few Alignments, then a few more and more, it's becoming clearer. Now I look for Alignments and I can tell if someone is out of position. What's next? I don't know.



If you have a Motion that is suitably Aligned (probably learned Mechanically if you studied around here) then its just you and your Computer. You are free and your game will truly take flight. The brain and the hands doing their thing like only they can do. There are guys that can juggle three balls and there are guys that can juggle a torch, a chainsaw and a sword. These latter types are not thinking about how to do it, they are merely doing it, sensing, feeling, directing.

When things are off for me and I get tired of tinkering around I just put my brain in my firm pressure points #'s 1,2 and swing the hands, my view of the ball and clubhead set to soft focus. Good things often result. I keep having to re learn this lesson. Swing the hands. Dont stare at the ball or watch the clubhead peripherally unless you want to Steer it. If you're going to look at anything make it a soft focus on the Aiming Point......the ball or for me ahead of the ball for a wedge and behind the ball for a driver.


I think whats next is a way to get mid handicappers to use their brain/hands to greater advantage. Earlier in their education than they might think possible. To turn off the "how to" barrier which they are often ready to do but dont. You can take a 10 handicap for instance, get him to hit shots and call out various shots when he's at the Top of his swing. "Fade" and he will fade it. "Draw" and he will draw it. It will take a few balls to turn their old ways off, but it does work. This drill doesnt give them enough time to employ their usual methods and reinforces their brain to hand relationship and ability.............which they normally over ride and ignore, unless they are really "on their game" so to speak. Their good games are not just mechanically better but often I think coincide with a brief relaxing of "how to" that allows the Computer to take control. I think that most golfers are actually better than they realize or actually show. Motion can bring all of this out. Strangely, the Melhournes and McDoanlds, the founding fathers of modern golf instruction knew this. More from the "nothings new anymore" file.

My personal contribution to this effort will be the invention of the invisible golf ball and clubhead. Only at separation will they appear to the naked eye. Steering will be removed from the game of golf. Also working on a golf ball that looks like a daisy. Im very close to finishing the cloaking device and things are very exciting right now. Havent seen my assistant Mike O. in few days but one of my golf balls keeps cracking the weirdest jokes about Bucket. Strange.

Oberding, why would you leave us behind? We're only dancing on this earth for a short time...............

bioengine 07-30-2009 12:15 PM

biomechanics
 
There are two worlds in golf Geometry and Physics
Homer is Geometry and biomechanics is the physics which drive the geometry.

Biomecahnics they try to understand how the body moves in motion etc

There are two thing which motor the geometry.
Conservation of Momentum and Muscular loading, (loading and firing the muscles)
The Kinetic Link represent the body's ability to create conservation of momentum whereby summating speed from segment to segment such that the speed at the end of the speed of the chain or system is moving at a much larger speed then the first.

This starts from the ground up, feet hip segment,shoulder segment,arms segment and followed by the club.

Also the other factor is load and firing the muscles which drives each segment.

This is physics and the kinetic link applies in throwing or in tennis, baseball, softball any bat and ball sport.

It's physics you can't ignore the laws of physics. In order for the geometry to work you must have physics.

GPStyles 07-30-2009 12:35 PM

Is that you Scott?

Burner 07-30-2009 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bioengine (Post 66348)
This starts from the ground up, feet hip segment,shoulder segment,arms segment and followed by the club.

This "starts from the ground up" mantra has always been a puzzle to me.:confused1

I have spent hours at address waiting for something to happen "from the ground up" and I would still be out there now but for the fact that I found out the club only moves once the hands that are holding it are put in motion!

I do appreciate that the ground has a part to play in the swing but surely this is only in relation to the opposing/resisting of the force applied in the down swing.


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