? hItting up with the driver and right arm thrust ...
 

Hi all.

I hit on the upswing with the driver. I have a question pertaining to this with regards to the right arm thrust ....

Is the right elbow fully straightened at the low point before the ball -- before the upswing, or should the right elbow only be fully straightened after hitting the ball?

Thanks. :)

Great question. The answer was a real revelation to me and changed the way I perceived Address, Impact (which are not the same) and helped me to understand Homer's reason for identifying the Both Arms Straight or Follow Through position.

The Thrust of the Right Arm (passive for the swinger or active for the hitter) is crossline (in the direction of the right arm towards the plane line). Since the Right arm is not fully straight until the Both Arms Straight position.........the Thrust will continue , Down and OUt towards the plane line until that position. IE ideally the Thrust continues to be applied Down and OUt , past impact, past Low Point up to and including Follow Through , Both Arms Straight, despite the fact the Clubhead and the Hands for that matter are traveling Up and IN post Low Point.

So if you do want to hit the ball post low point, you must position the ball Up and In as well. In other words tee it a little higher and a little inside the Plane Line/Base Line to match the orbit the clubhead is Traveling.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=126591979 6

Old Dog, Same Tricks???
 

Am I the only one left who doesn't like the idea of trying to hit up? :)
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Kevin

Same here, I try to think level.

Not that I don't believe the science behind it just that I am not optimizing it correctly enough to justify the loss in accuracy.

OB,

Are you using the Hogan pic to demonstrate that although well past impact Hogan still has a 'lil right arm to go? No hitting up on it here, folks! Kev, you should add the upswing driver to your bag of tricks. Especially if you "need" a few extra yards and are playing to a 100 yard wide fairway. Personally I think hitting everything on the down is like taking out insurance. Cannot be overinsured (or at least that is what Bucket told me)

If you are moving your arms inside and left like Hogan does, and you maintain the wedges it seems to me that the right arm has to stay bent well through impact, I would also imagine this requires a angled hinge.

I like that Okie, Thank You! :salut:

Kevin

Okie, yes for sure. Insure everything, especially your goat herd if Bucket is your agent. Id say Hogan in that photo was almost done, but still in the process of Thrusting his Right Arm Down and Out a little, despite the fact he is past low point. Not saying he is actively Thrusting or anything, before some of you guys get your shorts in a knot. Thrusting is present in all good swings I'd say, be it Active or Passive, Swinging or Hitting, in that the Right Arm does straighten eventually.

My only objection is to the words "cut it" of "cut it left". Assuming the Hands travel the Inclined Plane, they will come Up and In post low point on their own. In being Left. Anyone who manipulates a pulling of their Hands to the left is courting bending the plane line to the left and at the same time misdirecting the down and out Thrust. Just keep the Hands On Plane and you're good. Hogan's hands to my mind are on plane and have therefore moved Up and In (left if you will), but his Thrust is towards the plane line. Look at how his right arm and clubshaft point at the plane line. Similarly, in a vertical plane, if in an attempt to "hit up on it" you actually changed the orbit of your hands and clubhead to actually hit up more or earlier or something , that would disrupt the circular orbit as well. Now you could adjust the plane all together to accomplish more Up or Left ..........the swinging left guys love the elbow plane for instance. Thats Plane compliant, with implications, such as the #3 Accumulator and the Roll power, less Down more OUt etc.

So Id say if you want to hit up on the ball for ballistic reasons or whatever, change the ball position and Thrust down and out as per usual. Simply put, "put a good swing on it", the clubhead will come up and in on its own and make contact.

Didnt want to get into the Swinging Left thing really. Why do I get my self in these messes? My main point is that in regard to Right Arm Thrust as per the original question.......there is just way more Down and Out than most people realize there is to be had! So fill your boots with it! Passively or Actively.

PS For all you book literate types out there:

1-L-10 "The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force (moving toward the Plane Line)." Brackets by Homer, bold by me.

1-L-15 "The Club starts up-and-in after "Low Point" but the thrust continues Down Plane during the Follow-Through."

1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT "The "mystery" of the Mechanics of Golf fades away when Right Arm participation is understood (6-B-1). Whether its participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually because in either case the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING. ......"

Nope........................!

I may need a good cut man!
 

who mentioned cutting left?:confused1 Personally, "cutting left" is the feel of the sweetspot tracing the plane line as you continue back up the plane in the follow through/finish. The "right field" deal is the feel of tracing the plane line when you are moving down plane to low point. Anybody that has made a low bench type thing to ride the shaft along will be struck by how "left" the tracing sweetspot seems to take you. It is an inside out impact, not an inside out stroke. An inside out stroke disconnects the power package from the pivot in my opinion, setting up a stalled pivot scenario:naughty: The cutting left crowd just lack Homer's more precise terminology and its geometric precision. Looking at Hogan can you dispute that it appears as though the clubhead is cutting left? I may be stirring the same hornets nest OB, but I do not see an active thrust of the right arm. I have to admit that it is near impossible to tell! If anything Hogan's right arm is resisting CF. Just my limited understanding as collateral here. I am now going to duck for cover...INCOMING! :salut: