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whip 03-27-2012 01:24 AM

new student
 
after one lesson...

MizunoJoe 03-27-2012 10:46 AM

Things have gone haywire in frame 6 - the club head is too far back away from the target leading to massive throwaway in frame 7. He needs to learn to retain his angle from the top right now before this becomes ingrained!

gmbtempe 03-27-2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 90751)
Things have gone haywire in frame 6 - the club head is too far back away from the target leading to massive throwaway in frame 7. He needs to learn to retain his angle from the top right now before this becomes ingrained!

I see the loss in angle, student does a good job of not flipping it from frame 6.

Why do you see this happening, pivot issues, hand path, hand speed?

MizunoJoe 03-27-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gmbtempe (Post 90752)
I see the loss in angle, student does a good job of not flipping it from frame 6.

Why do you see this happening, pivot issues, hand path, hand speed?

My guess is over acceleration, but you're right, he still manages to get his hands to the ball before the club head. What would you say?

gmbtempe 03-27-2012 06:10 PM

Not sure, honestly I would guess. If he was able to maintain that lag a little more I am sure it would only help power wise and low point control wise as he gets his hands in a pretty good impact alignment.

Yoda 03-27-2012 09:57 PM

A Loaded Question
 
Whip,

Lots to like here. Great alignments at Impact and Follow-through, i.e., to the Both Arms Straight position (Section 11).

The student is Hitting (as evident in his Release motion). Therefore, as a next srep on his journey, I would offer him the alternative of the Hitter's Drive Loading procedure (10-19-A) from the Top (per the Hitter's Basic Pattern 12-1-0) instead of his current Drag Loading (10-19-C) which is more compatible with Swinging (12-2-0).

Thanks for posting!

:salut:

MizunoJoe 03-27-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 90756)
Whip,

Lots to like here. Great Impact and Follow-through (to Both Arms Straight) alignments. The student is Hitting (as evident in his Release motion). I would offer him the alternative of the Hitter's Drive Loading procedure (10-19-A) from the Top (per the Hitter's Basic Pattern 12-1-0) instead of his current Drag Loading (10-19-C) which is more compatible with Swinging (per 12-2-0).

Thanks for posting!

:salut:

Since he goes to the End, rather than stopping at the Top, I just assumed he was Swinging. Hitting would explain his hands moving away from his right shoulder and relative lack of hip action. Larry Nelson is the only other Hitter I have seen who goes to the End.

MizunoJoe 03-28-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by whip (Post 90758)
I think equally capable of hitting or swinging. The iPhone camera Is what makes the shaft look bowed and releasing sooner than it really is, it's not really like that. Distance is not an issue he hits a 7 iron 200 yds, he says he doesn't want to hit. Mizunojoe things are hardly going haywire anywhere here, this is a very good golf swing.

It's not the bowing I was refering to, but rather the loss of wristcock starting in frame 6. Perhaps "haywire" wasn't the right word, but he has serious throwaway IF he is actually Swinging. The problem is that the max wristcock contribution to total clubhead speed is attained very shortly after the onset of release, and so the clubhead is slowing too much at impact relative to what it could otherwise be. This can be somewhat mitigated by a very strong pivot through impact, but why throw away speed potential?

MizunoJoe 03-28-2012 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by whip (Post 90760)
mj the hands move away from the right shoulder in swinging and in hitting.

Your glass is half full. In a Turned Shoulder Plane Swing, the hands should be transported to release by the right shoulder and their movement away from the right shoulder should be minimized. That is, #4 release should be delayed. Independently moving the hands downplane toward release is over-acceleration and causes #4 throwaway and usually also #2 throwaway. In Hitting however, the right shoulder is a platform, off which the right tricep hits after taking out the slack of the left side.

MizunoJoe 03-28-2012 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by whip (Post 90763)
his ballspeed is WAAAY up there average drive 330 plus, i'm not really too concerned about it being a snap release, i think random sweep is just fine. the speed after release doesn't slow down to impact it maintains the speed. the left wrist is uncocking downplane just because it is not a snap release doesnt mean he isn't swinging or getting plenty of speed if not maximum, theres a trade off velocity/thrust, trigger delay/handspeed.

whip, in the sequence above, is he Swinging or Hitting? If it's a throwaway Swing as it looks like to me, I'd bet that shot didn't carry 200 yds, even if it's a 3 or 4 iron.


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