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View Poll Results: Do you teach/prefer the Base of the Neck Pivot Center OR the Head Pivot Center?
Base of the neck 88 64.71%
Head 24 17.65%
It doesn't matter, the Golf Stroke doesn't need a Pivot Center 2 1.47%
They are both the same because the Head includes the Base of the Neck 22 16.18%
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:59 PM
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There has been much ado lately about which Pivot Center to use: The Head (recommended by Homer Kelley) or its alternate, the Point-Between-the-Shoulders (referenced by Mr. Kelley, but not recommended). What seems to have been lost in the shuffle is the really important point: That the Pivot have a Center in the first place.

All art forms -- and the necessary Human Element makes the Golf Stroke an art, not a science -- need their grounding Center. Picasso was an accomplished portrait artist long before his 'modern' forms emerged. Does that mean his earlier structure and disciplines were lost? No. In fact, they enabled his artistry to manifest itself.

The Discipline of Art.

Think about it.

Western music is characterized by seven tones -- doe-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti...

Don't ya just want to hit that last repeating 'doe?'

These seven tones repeat in twelve keys, including half tones, from A to G. In other words, the tones sound the same, just a bit higher or lower. In fact, starting anywhere, these keys move progressively in a circle until they arrive once again in the beginning key. Each new key is exactly five tones higher -- ascending, the old 'so' now becomes 'doe' in the new key -- or descending, four tones lower ('fa' becomes 'doe'). Ascending, for example, think 'Twinkle twinkle little star...then begin your next verse -- and new key -- on the second "twinkle."

But at the end of the day...

'Doe' -- in any key -- never changes.

What does all this have to do with Golf?

The Pivot has a Center...

Or it does not.

That Center can be the Head...

Or the Point-Between-the-Shoulders beneath the Head.

That Center can be located "precisely between the feet" (Homer's ideal) or 1/2 inch left or 1/4 inch right or pick another number.

Your call.

Just have a Center.

Please...

That's the message.

Unlike most all golfers on the face of the earth...

Please...

Have a Center.
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Old 08-24-2006, 10:26 PM
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As is Billy Casper, Larry Nelson is a 'Right Foot Dragger' through Impact. It is a very natural action, the same 'foot drag' you get when you skip a rock across water with gusto.

Personally, I like Sam Snead's more stable Right Foot, but Larry's action gets the job done, and I, for one, would not suggest that he change it. The procedure does not interfere with his Pivot Stability or Balance, and it has served him well throughout his career.
What are the problems to watch out for with dragging the right foot (I think Greg Norman did this too)?
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Right Foot 'Drag' Problems
Originally Posted by Bigwill

What are the problems to watch out for with dragging the right foot (I think Greg Norman did this too)?
Just don't let Knee Action and Foot Action act independently of Hip and Shoulder motion. The Feet and Knees support the action of the Hips and Shoulders, not the other way around.

As far as Greg Norman goes, his early action was to slide the Right Foot back to the line across the Heels -- as opposed to dragging the Right Foot forward toward the Target -- as he simultaneously spun rapidly on his Left Heel (his toe pointing toward the Target). He ultimately quieted down this Foot Action, and that change preceded his becoming the #1 player in the world.

But not by much.

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Old 08-25-2006, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Just don't let Knee Action and Foot Action act independently of Hip and Shoulder motion. The Feet and Knees support the action of the Hips and Shoulders, not the other way around.

As far as Greg Norman goes, his early action was to slide the Right Foot back to the line across the Heels -- as opposed to dragging the Right Foot forward toward the Target -- as he simultaneously spun rapidly on his Left Heel (his toe pointing toward the Target). He ultimately quieted down this Foot Action, and that change preceded his becoming the #1 player in the world.

But not by much.

Yoda,

Stuart Appleby, Adam Scott, Geoff Ogilvy, Michael Campbell, Mike Weir Robert Allenby have all been promoting the Leaderboard training aid (Stuart Appleby, Adam Scott and Geoff Ogilvy are company owners).

When you look at the videos are you seeing the old Greg Norman foot action or the better revised foot action. Which foot action do you think this aid promotes, if any?

Link to infomercial AND video: https://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/vc.../index/173681/

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Originally Posted by RatherBeGolfing

Yoda,

Stuart Appleby, Adam Scott, Geoff Ogilvy, Michael Campbell, Mike Weir Robert Allenby have all been promoting the Leaderboard training aid (Stuart Appleby, Adam Scott and Geoff Ogilvy are company owners).

When you look at the videos are you seeing the old Greg Norman foot action or the better revised foot action. Which foot action do you think this aid promotes, if any?

Link to infomercial AND video: https://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/vc.../index/173681/
Follow Homer Kelley's advice with regards to the Foot Action Component (7-17). The loading (Weight) can shift to the inner edge of the Foot, but it shouldn't roll the Foot over on its edged. To the extent the Heel comes off the ground, it should be pulled off, not lifted off.

I see no reason for the exaggerated drag of the Right Foot through Impact, nor the excessive Knee Action which causes it. This conclusion comes despite the fact that three great champions come to mind that use the technique: Billy Casper, George Knudsen and Larry Nelson.

Of the names you mention above, including the three company owners, I do not recall any that drag the Right Foot as promoted by the training device.

Finally, I have not seen Greg Norman's Foot Action in several years, but from the video you have supplied, I can see that the Leaderboard training aid does not produce the Foot Action he used in his early years on TOUR.
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Follow Homer Kelley's advice with regards to the Foot Action Component (7-17). The loading (Weight) can shift to the inner edge of the Foot, but it shouldn't roll the Foot over on its edged. To the extent the Heel comes off the ground, it should be pulled off, not lifted off.

I see no reason for the exaggerated drag of the Right Foot through Impact, nor the excessive Knee Action which causes it. This conclusion comes despite the fact that three great champions come to mind that use the technique: Billy Casper, George Knudsen and Larry Nelson.

Of the names you mention above, including the three company owners, I do not recall any that drag the Right Foot as promoted by the training device.

Finally, I have not seen Greg Norman's Foot Action in several years, but from the video you have supplied, I can see that the Leaderboard training aid does not produce the Foot Action he used in his early years on TOUR.
One image that has been helpful to me has been to imagine that the shin bones are springs . . . saw this in 7 Laws of the Golf Swing while parusing in the library (yes I said library).

The image of the "shin springs" was to compress the springs down into the ground at Top and Start Down by feeling as if your center of gravity moves down as well as forward . . . eliminating crazy knees and the right heel popping up prematurely . . . ala Sam Sneed Squat.
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Sports Illustrated, Aug. 28, 2006
pg. 42, 1st column

"The Western was Wood's first event since he missed the cut at the U.S. Open, and he was straining to find his form in a season that had been torn asunder by the death of his father. He set up shop on the range at Cog Hill, with his instructor Hank Haney, with whom he had embarked on yet another swing overhaul two years ago, and in a 2 1/2 hour session they focused on the flaw that had been tormenting Woods: his tendency to cock his head to the left on the backswing and then rock it back and to the right on the downswing, upsetting his balance and timing. The enduring image from that grueling session was of Haney's left hand pressed against the right side of Woods's face, keeping his head stable while Tiger focused on rotating smoothly around his spine."

Don't shoot the messenger for the above quote.

Anyone ever think of changing the Right Forearm alignment, so Bobbing wouldn't be necessary?

Now, you can shoot.
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke

The enduring image from that grueling session was of Haney's left hand pressed against the right side of Woods's face, keeping his head stable while Tiger focused on rotating smoothly around his spine."
In a recent issue of Golf Digest (June 2006), Tiger writes:

"A steady head means I've rotated around a fixed point, a critical factor in stabilizing my swing."

"Now my head is more centered..."

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Adam Scott's Head-Centered Pivot
Does Adam Scott have a Head-Centered Pivot? A competitor on another site says "no," and offers as "proof" his own analysis of the sequence I posted above. I'm going to put up more on this later, but for now...

You be the judge.

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Originally Posted by Yoda
In a recent issue of Golf Digest (June 2006), Tiger writes:

"A steady head means I've rotated around a fixed point, a critical factor in stabilizing my swing."

"Now my head is more centered..."

Hey Lynn- (long time no see)

I have noticed that some folks like to draw a straight line form the ball to the nose to disprove a steady head- that it moves to the side. In my neck of the woods- photography- thats a MONOPOD.

Homer talked of a TRIPOD. The lines would be drawn from the foundation- the feet, both of them - to the eyes. Head stays centered on a tripod.
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