I have a video clip that I shot of Jack when I stumbled on him at a practice range. He demonstrated his move for me. It is really too outrageous to post. Let's leave Jack to the folks that need him most, those with serious disabilities (I'm not kidding), and get back to the subject at hand.
Per 10-2-0 - "Usually the only real difference between the Right and Left Hand Grip is that the clubshaft lies under the heel of the Left Hand but it (or the left thumb) lies in the cup of the Right Hand."
I really like that Matt...even thought I don't do it in my own stroke right now lol...
If you have the grip in the fingers of your right hand, all it takes is for you to move your hand so the grip runs through the bottom part of your palm (pretty much where the underside of your wrist meets your hand- envision your hand is cut off...). Put it in between the Thumb Pad and Heel Pad...right in the "butt cheeks" of your hand lol.
If I swung more in the way of "right wrist bends straight back"/"clap your hands" (err clap your extended-out left hand with your right hand- fanning motion)...then it would be bang on.
Felt great last night....I have a feeling me not having known this before is one part of the reason why I moved away from that swing style.
Mathew,
Sorry to get you worked up. I just thought some people would like to read Kuykendall's take on Moe's swing since you mentioned Kuykendall and that's where the original still pics came from. I agree he's overly abrasive elsewhere on his site.
Personally, I don't like Kuykendall's "tear down everyone else" style either, and I certainly don't employ his swing methods. But there are a few interesting Moe stories on his site that some folks might like to read.
I don't know how he got his patent approved as a "new invention." It's basically for both a particular clubhead( size and geometry) and more interestingly, a swing method --- more than just for gripping the club in line with the trail forearm. It's the entire, unique combination of swing mechanics that he was able to finagle a patent on, not just a single element like the forearm-club alignment (which you correctly point out is mentioned prior and elsewhere).
Per 10-2-0 - "Usually the only real difference between the Right and Left Hand Grip is that the clubshaft lies under the heel of the Left Hand but it (or the left thumb) lies in the cup of the Right Hand."
I really like that Matt...even thought I don't do it in my own stroke right now lol...
If you have the grip in the fingers of your right hand, all it takes is for you to move your hand so the grip runs through the bottom part of your palm (pretty much where the underside of your wrist meets your hand- envision your hand is cut off...). Put it in between the Thumb Pad and Heel Pad...right in the "butt cheeks" of your hand lol.
If I swung more in the way of "right wrist bends straight back"/"clap your hands" (err clap your extended-out left hand with your right hand- fanning motion)...then it would be bang on.
Felt great last night....I have a feeling me not having known this before is one part of the reason why I moved away from that swing style.
I find that the extensor action pretty much pulls the primary lever assembly inline and (although sometimes it changes to pp1) generally I prefer to do it with pp3. I like to feel with pp3 I stretch it out and just tracing the plane line with it. I also allow the extensor action to preform the start-up swivel for me - the extensor action takeaway. This is pretty much my backstroke in a nutshell at this current time.....
I find the precision in being able to stretch and trace that plane line is crutial to me.... which is only possible with an onplane right forearm... With this the trace and stretch is always towards the plane line....
Mathew,
Sorry to get you worked up. I just thought some people would like to read Kuykendall's take on Moe's swing since you mentioned Kuykendall and that's where the original still pics came from. I agree he's overly abrasive elsewhere on his site.
Personally, I don't like Kuykendall's "tear down everyone else" style either, and I certainly don't employ his swing methods. But there are a few interesting Moe stories on his site that some folks might like to read.
I don't know how he got his patent approved as a "new invention." It's basically for both a particular clubhead( size and geometry) and more interestingly, a swing method --- more than just for gripping the club in line with the trail forearm. It's the entire, unique combination of swing mechanics that he was able to finagle a patent on, not just a single element like the forearm-club alignment (which you correctly point out is mentioned prior and elsewhere).
Its ok dude all is good - I have no problem with you at all
I find that the extensor action pretty much pulls the primary lever assembly inline and (although sometimes it changes to pp1) generally I prefer to do it with pp3. I like to feel with pp3 I stretch it out and just tracing the plane line with it. I also allow the extensor action to preform the start-up swivel for me - the extensor action takeaway. This is pretty much my backstroke in a nutshell at this current time.....
I find the precision in being able to stretch and trace that plane line is crutial to me.... which is only possible with an onplane right forearm... With this the trace and stretch is always towards the plane line....
Have you ever tried this and whats your thoughts?
Mathew,
Good post! Do you use this procedure with Hitting or Swinging? or both?
.....Jack does not swing like he says he swings. And he does not swing like his video clip shows on his website for "Power Lever" golf.
Bagger and I met him on my range a few years ago and he has video of the affair. I actually went to Jack's seminar that night at our club just to see what his philosophy was. He then went out on the range and hit a ton of shots off his knees, etc.
I find that the extensor action pretty much pulls the primary lever assembly inline and (although sometimes it changes to pp1) generally I prefer to do it with pp3. I like to feel with pp3 I stretch it out and just tracing the plane line with it. I also allow the extensor action to preform the start-up swivel for me - the extensor action takeaway. This is pretty much my backstroke in a nutshell at this current time.....
I find the precision in being able to stretch and trace that plane line is crutial to me.... which is only possible with an onplane right forearm... With this the trace and stretch is always towards the plane line....
Have you ever tried this and whats your thoughts?
Mathew,
Good post! Do you use this procedure with Hitting or Swinging? or both?
Thanks!
B
Sorry I forgot to put it in. My pattern is primarily swinging. If I am hitting I try to feel extensor action with pp1 which tends (for me) to omit the start-up swivel of the swinger. The swinger swings the club back and the hitter carries it.....
.....Jack does not swing like he says he swings. And he does not swing like his video clip shows on his website for "Power Lever" golf.
Bagger and I met him on my range a few years ago and he has video of the affair. I actually went to Jack's seminar that night at our club just to see what his philosophy was. He then went out on the range and hit a ton of shots off his knees, etc.
A very interesting fellow....
So what does his stroke look like now ???
Its really great that I got the status of "somebody" for 5hrs work with my restored gif animation
I find that the extensor action pretty much pulls the primary lever assembly inline and (although sometimes it changes to pp1) generally I prefer to do it with pp3. I like to feel with pp3 I stretch it out and just tracing the plane line with it. I also allow the extensor action to preform the start-up swivel for me - the extensor action takeaway. This is pretty much my backstroke in a nutshell at this current time.....
I find the precision in being able to stretch and trace that plane line is crutial to me.... which is only possible with an onplane right forearm... With this the trace and stretch is always towards the plane line....
Have you ever tried this and whats your thoughts?
Have recently moved away from a STT (again!- I started w/ one then used RFT then back to STT...now back to RFT again- I think for good) over the past couple weeks.
I find that my precision, and plane, and crispness of contact, and adjustability of aiming point is much better when I take it away with my hands....and I'm certainly don't think I'm losing anything by not using a STT.
That much increased ability to adjust my aiming point has been crucial for me with the crispness of my short irons- controlling the "pinch" of the ball, and the trajectory.
I can control how much I hit down and actively trace a straight plane line with the clubshaft....just extend those hands out in the right direction...
So ya, the difference has really been with how I can alter my impact alignments...which has been HUGE with my short irons like I said. Driving was always pretty good even with STT...but now it's even better- and I CAN bring it down if I like. Before it seemed like I was limited to one high trajectory.
I don't worry bout keeping the connection with my left pec./left arm anymore...taking it away with my hands pulls this apart slightly (rather than me keeping "connected" and turning th whole unit).
I've always been following/emulating Hogan so I has reservations about not doing this. Hogan said he wanted to feel like he could pinch a razorblade in there...I dunno though...maybe for his driver. It doesn't work so great for me with short irons- when I REALLY have to hit down and get my hands to a forward aiming point. Maybe he knows something I don't...I dunno tho- don't really care right now.
Extending my hands out and tracing the plane I want feels great. Adjusting my aiming point/the amount I hit down feels great. Smokin' my driver and still being able hit crisp, finesse short irons feels great. Maybe I can really groove something in now...maybe. :P
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