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Old 12-26-2005, 11:19 PM
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The Centered Pivot
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Looks like the tripod to me, hopefully in the 7th edition... stationary head, and hula hula.

2-H: "Though the 'Head' Pivot Center is recommended, it is not at all mandatory."

The two sides of the coin are interpereted from this sentence. My side: Homer recommends a stationary head. Another side: Your head doesn't have to sit still. He recommends it for a reason. By the way, a stationary head IS a Basic Essential. But others say the head can sway, and they even promote it. It's what I was taught to do, to no avail. I was even told that this (a sway) creates power. Am I in the ballpark, Yoda??
Close, young Luke. Very close.

Actually, Homer is saying that something at the upper end of the Pivot -- not necessarily the Head -- must remain Stationary to stabilize the motion. He recommended the Head as the Pivot Center because you can tell when it moves (you can see more 'under' the Ball). However, you can alternatively choose to keep the top of the spine -- the point 'between the shoulders' -- stationary. Either way, there is no Sway. In both cases, there is a Centered Pivot Motion. It is all a matter of what the player monitors.
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Old 12-26-2005, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Close, young Luke. Very close.

Actually, Homer is saying that something at the upper end of the Pivot -- not necessarily the Head -- must remain Stationary to stabilize the motion. He recommended the Head as the Pivot Center because you can tell when it moves (you can see more 'under' the Ball). However, you can alternatively choose to keep the top of the spine -- the point 'between the shoulders' -- stationary. Either way, there is no Sway. In both cases, there is a Centered Pivot Motion. It is all a matter of what the player monitors.
This is probably one of the best posts on the "through the head" pivot center or "through the base of the neck" pivot center debates.

Good stuff Yoda!
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Old 12-27-2005, 12:54 AM
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The Truth -- From The Homes Of Golf
In the search for Truth, it helps to be able to call on friends from around the world. Exposed below is a major myth -- the 'away leaning' spine in the Backstroke. From Scotland, the Home of Golf, to your desktop, the Home of Lynn Blake Golf.

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Old 12-27-2005, 01:06 AM
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Thanks Yoda - Just glad you like it
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Old 12-27-2005, 01:36 AM
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Old 12-27-2005, 01:48 AM
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The Head Movers Vs. The Non-Head Movers
I know you've been itching to get into this, Brian, and I knew you'd be here ASAP. So here we go! Please state your case.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:05 AM
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:07 AM
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These pictures were precisely done.

They just show a different look—just another way.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:13 AM
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There are three problems with your Snead photos:

a)Your lines are generous towards your argument (I checked - because I know how to use photoshop properly....lol)

b) Your photos are taken dead-on his stance line which creates a parallax problem since snead hit shots with his driver with a closed stance

C) You do not take in consideration 1-L-2 - The post may turn (players head) but not sway or bob....

Here is a deadly accurate version of the tripod on snead..... (note the nice size of my picture too...lol)

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Old 12-27-2005, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by brianmanzella
Here is some more...
Hope you don't take offense, but..

Top two pictures, something is out of whack. The backgrounds which should be static are not the same. I think the camera was moved between shots or something. The camera in one is higher than the other, and also closer.

Again there is a difference between frames regarding the background and your red line is definitely not in the same place if you use the background as a reference.

The Tom's pictures I think really give the wrong impression as well. Using the tree braches to the left at the top and his head, it hasn't move near what your lines indicate. Not saying it doesn't move a bit, but those lines make me think he is about to fall over and I doubt seriously that would be a product of your instruction.

Also the Snead pictures have questions regarding the background including the position of the ball to feet. Something is just not the same about both.

Interesting concept that the stationary head or neck would be considered a psuedo component/variation.

Realizing that the First essential is a Stationary Head, though 2-H does state it is recommended not mandatory. But when reading 1-L-1 and 1-L-2 it seems that the head is indicated and that it can move (turn) by the action of the pivot but not on its own.

So what in the Pivot would require the head to move? Wouldn't the pivot only require a turning? How can you move the head without disrupting the top of the spine unless you bend at the neck to lay the head down on the shoulder?
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