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Old 02-10-2005, 10:20 PM
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Plane Line Patter For TGM Junkies
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2. The Impact Point Plane Line does indeed rest atop the ground, whereas the Low Point Plane Line is in the ground, but again, on the same Inclined Plane.
I wrote a previous post that has since gone with little response, so I will take this opportunity to try and get some clarification.

The Impact Point Plane Line must always be above or atop the ground unless a special shot (bunker explosion shot).

The Low Point Plane Line can below ground (any golf stroke that takes a divot at or after the golf ball), it can be atop the ground (the pick clean shot or the Teed Driver or any other shot that doesn't take a divot).

I beleive that depending upon the ball location, the hinging action and golf stroke (hitter/swinger) the location of the low point can be other than outside of the target line.

This raises the question "Is the target line is really the Impact Point Plane Line?" The Target Line can cross the Plane Line. The Impact and Low Point Planes must use the Sweet Spot Plane.

Since we cannot see beneath the surface, all line we visualize or make marks would be on the surface. Visualizing the Low Point Plane Line doesn't seem to have much merit IMO unless someone can point out some reason to do so.

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My good friend Martee -- a Hall of Fame poster if there ever was one -- has asked for clarification regarding Plane Lines. Well, buckle up, folks, because here we go!

1. My quoted answer to rchang72 was in specific reference to his two graphics wherein the ball rested on the ground and the Low Point was in the ground. However, as Martee correctly points out, in the case of a Teed Ball there may be only 'air' divots -- this great phrase courtesy of our own PGA Professional Drewitgolf! -- or with a Ball placed precisely at Low Point only a brushing of the ground.

2. And it is possible, as Martee points out, that that the Low Point could be "other than outside the Target Line." Certainly that would be the case if the Ball is positoned at Low Point (in which case it would be on the Target Line).

3. Of course, the Target Line and the Plane Line are two different 'animals' and must maintain their respective identities. This is the case even when the Plane Line (either Impact Point or Low Point) lies atop the Target Line. Hence, the nine different Plane Line-Stance Line-Target Line Combinations of 10-5. And remember, you aways swing along (Trace) the Plane Line, but only in the Square-Square Combination of 10-5-A do you swing along the Target Line.

4. Finally, as I pointed out in my post to rchang72, in those instances where the Low Point Plane is indeed below ground, it is enough to monitor only the Impact Point Plane Line that is above ground. Then, make sure you Trace it with your Right Forearm in its Three-Dimensional, Downplane Attack Angle (of Approach) per 2-N-0 and 7-3. This will insure that the Clubhead makes its proper Down, Out and Forward orbit (Arc of Approach per 2-J-3) through the Impact Point Plane Line toward Low Point.

There now, Martee. Glad we got that all cleared up!
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Old 02-10-2005, 11:01 PM
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Here is a picture I drew that, hopefully, can add something to the discussion.

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Old 02-11-2005, 07:42 AM
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Is the impact line really that severe, it appears to be at about a 45* angle, or is this exagerated for instuctional purposes?
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Old 02-11-2005, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mgjordan
Here is a picture I drew that, hopefully, can add something to the discussion.

http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehost...jpg/?id=221660
Thanks. That is most helpful in clearing up directional vectors and how the clubhead diverts the ball from the tangential path of the thrust.

Also, I much appreciated your efforts at GEA to explain the planes. Understanding the significance of the Turned Shoulder Plane helped me a lot. You "suffered slings and arrows" for your persistance and deserve some kudos for that.

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Old 02-11-2005, 03:21 PM
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Re: Drawing
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Is the impact line really that severe, it appears to be at about a 45* angle, or is this exagerated for instuctional purposes?
Yes, the angle of approach is quite sever...the "openness" of the clubhead in the drawing, however, is exagerated so you can see it better. It is really more like 3 degrees.
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Old 02-11-2005, 07:19 PM
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Thanks mgjordan. Love the drawing.
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Old 02-12-2005, 01:57 PM
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rc72/mgj,

Your drawings should be shown and explained to EVERY student of the golf swing, whether beginner or tour player. The ultimate would be a sequence of 3-D versions of these sketches from Impact to Separation.
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