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Old 05-02-2006, 09:00 AM
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the finish swivel
Lynn....thank you very much for this little gem...i have been lacking this in my swing and as soon as i incorporated this my ball striking went up another level...now it just flows start to finish delivery line roll prep ..music to my ears ...goose bumps when i hit it

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Old 05-02-2006, 12:32 PM
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Lynn....thank you very much for this little gem...i have been lacking this in my swing and as soon as i incorporated this my ball striking went up another level...now it just flows start to finish delivery line roll prep ..music to my ears ...goose bumps when i hit it
That's great news, sd. If the time comes when you start Hooking it off the planet, just tone down the Swivel a bit and make sure you get a good Hinge Action. First though, make sure you are executing a true, Inside-Out (Down Plane) Downstroke. If the 'Out' is lacking, the Ball will go left!

The Finish Swivel is so important. I've told the story before in these pages about the Finish Swivel lesson Homer Kelley once gave a student. He said he "learned more about Golf on that day than on any other." Considering the Golf water under his bridge, that's saying a lot.

Later in the week we will post video where I explain and demonstrate the principles of Swivel Action and the three Hinge Actions. Stay tuned...
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Old 05-02-2006, 12:49 PM
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divot pattern
my divots are inside to out..the in-line condition is a great feeling and a constant reminder of what it feels like...my hooked shot came from losing lag pressure...this was a part of the instruction that i didn't absorb last year during the SO Cal school but i'm sure glad i got it now..Thanks Lynn

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Old 05-02-2006, 02:28 PM
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The True Geometrically-Carved Divot
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my divots are inside to out...
Divots indeed are taken 'Down and Out' (1-L #14), but they should not point to the right of the Target. If they do, then you have executed a Closed Plane Line (10-5-E) and, depending on Clubface alignment, the Ball Flight (both initial Direction and Path) will be subject to any number of vagaries.

Remember, you are at the bottom of a circle (Clubhead Orbit) with a radius (Left Arm and Club) some five feet in length. Accordingly, there is not a lot of 'Down' and not a lot of 'Out' left. And some of that Divot is the Club exiting the ground after Low Point and now traveling 'Up and In'. So, while the 'Outward' dimension of Impact is still present and extremely necessary to achieve, it is not enough to send the Divot out to the right.

The goal is a Three-Dimensional Impact -- Downward, Outward and Forward -- and an On Line Divot.
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Old 05-02-2006, 02:35 PM
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Divots indeed are taken 'Down and Out' (1-L #14), but they should not point to the right of the Target. If they do, then you have executed a Closed Plane Line (10-5-E) and, depending on Clubface alignment, the Ball Flight (both initial Direction and Path) will be subject to any number of vagaries.

Remember, you are at the bottom of a circle (Clubhead Orbit) with a Radius (Left Arm and Club) of some five feet. Accordingly, there is not a lot of 'Down' and not a lot of 'Out' left. And some of that Divot is the Club exiting the ground after Low Point and now traveling 'Up and In'. So, while the 'Outward' dimension of Impact is still present and extremely necessary to achieve, it is not enough to send the Divot out to the right.

The goal is a Three-Dimensional Impact -- Downward, Outward and Forward -- and an On Line Divot.
You can spend years "digging it out of the dirt" to learn about this invaluble information.

Or you can hang out at LBG.

The choice is obvious .
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Old 05-02-2006, 03:00 PM
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Sorry Lynn I used the wrong description...I understand the down out and through look...open to square and through,..in all my years of playing this crazy game i finally have found a gem of an instructor..thanks LYNN
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla

You can spend years "digging it out of the dirt" to learn about this invaluble information.

Or you can hang out at LBG.

The choice is obvious .
I gotta tell ya...

The only reason I 'got there first' -- you would have gotten there eventually on your own -- is because in a 1982 telephone conversation with The Man...

I asked about a phrase he used ("Let's all replace one geometrically carved divot...") in his June 1981 G.O.L.F. Bulletin* for Authorized Instructors.

I thought that 1-L #13 and #14 meant that Divots should point to the right.

But I was wrong, and he told me so.

As I have told you.
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:45 PM
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Divots should have 3 directions to them if you are using horizontal hinge action:

1) slightly open at begining of divot
2) goes fairly straight all the way to low point
3) begins to turn left due to the full roll and swivel

However as Yoda and I have conversed about something similar before (how big your divots should be) it all depends if you TRULY stay "down" until low point.
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And there it goes
Originally Posted by Yoda
Divots indeed are taken 'Down and Out' (1-L #14), but they should not point to the right of the Target. If they do, then you have executed a Closed Plane Line (10-5-E) and, depending on Clubface alignment, the Ball Flight (both initial Direction and Path) will be subject to any number of vagaries.

Remember, you are at the bottom of a circle (Clubhead Orbit) with a radius (Left Arm and Club) some five feet in length. Accordingly, there is not a lot of 'Down' and not a lot of 'Out' left. And some of that Divot is the Club exiting the ground after Low Point and now traveling 'Up and In'. So, while the 'Outward' dimension of Impact is still present and extremely necessary to achieve, it is not enough to send the Divot out to the right.

The goal is a Three-Dimensional Impact -- Downward, Outward and Forward -- and an On Line Divot.
Great stuff. How about wrapping up by discussing in which direction the slab of grass (or piece of cartpath) should be flying - relative to the target line and/or the initial ball direction? Or did you just say that? On Line Divot
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Great stuff. How about wrapping up by discussing in which direction the slab of grass (or piece of cartpath) should be flying - relative to the target line and/or the initial ball direction? Or did you just say that? On Line Divot
I'm no expert, but I would think the slab of grass should go left. Because the clubhead is moving a little left as its leaving the ground, the face may be turning left, and because the piece of ground stays on the clubhead a bit past impact (with the ground). The slab of grass is not 'hit' straight, it is 'thrown' left.

Chris

Note: that's assuming the kind of ground where the divot holds together, not where you just get a kind of spray of dirt!
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