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Old 05-02-2006, 02:28 PM
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The True Geometrically-Carved Divot
Originally Posted by sdsurfmore

my divots are inside to out...
Divots indeed are taken 'Down and Out' (1-L #14), but they should not point to the right of the Target. If they do, then you have executed a Closed Plane Line (10-5-E) and, depending on Clubface alignment, the Ball Flight (both initial Direction and Path) will be subject to any number of vagaries.

Remember, you are at the bottom of a circle (Clubhead Orbit) with a radius (Left Arm and Club) some five feet in length. Accordingly, there is not a lot of 'Down' and not a lot of 'Out' left. And some of that Divot is the Club exiting the ground after Low Point and now traveling 'Up and In'. So, while the 'Outward' dimension of Impact is still present and extremely necessary to achieve, it is not enough to send the Divot out to the right.

The goal is a Three-Dimensional Impact -- Downward, Outward and Forward -- and an On Line Divot.
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Old 05-02-2006, 02:35 PM
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On Line Divots
Originally Posted by Yoda
Divots indeed are taken 'Down and Out' (1-L #14), but they should not point to the right of the Target. If they do, then you have executed a Closed Plane Line (10-5-E) and, depending on Clubface alignment, the Ball Flight (both initial Direction and Path) will be subject to any number of vagaries.

Remember, you are at the bottom of a circle (Clubhead Orbit) with a Radius (Left Arm and Club) of some five feet. Accordingly, there is not a lot of 'Down' and not a lot of 'Out' left. And some of that Divot is the Club exiting the ground after Low Point and now traveling 'Up and In'. So, while the 'Outward' dimension of Impact is still present and extremely necessary to achieve, it is not enough to send the Divot out to the right.

The goal is a Three-Dimensional Impact -- Downward, Outward and Forward -- and an On Line Divot.
You can spend years "digging it out of the dirt" to learn about this invaluble information.

Or you can hang out at LBG.

The choice is obvious .
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Old 05-02-2006, 03:00 PM
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Sorry Lynn I used the wrong description...I understand the down out and through look...open to square and through,..in all my years of playing this crazy game i finally have found a gem of an instructor..thanks LYNN
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla

You can spend years "digging it out of the dirt" to learn about this invaluble information.

Or you can hang out at LBG.

The choice is obvious .
I gotta tell ya...

The only reason I 'got there first' -- you would have gotten there eventually on your own -- is because in a 1982 telephone conversation with The Man...

I asked about a phrase he used ("Let's all replace one geometrically carved divot...") in his June 1981 G.O.L.F. Bulletin* for Authorized Instructors.

I thought that 1-L #13 and #14 meant that Divots should point to the right.

But I was wrong, and he told me so.

As I have told you.
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Divots should have 3 directions to them if you are using horizontal hinge action:

1) slightly open at begining of divot
2) goes fairly straight all the way to low point
3) begins to turn left due to the full roll and swivel

However as Yoda and I have conversed about something similar before (how big your divots should be) it all depends if you TRULY stay "down" until low point.
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Originally Posted by jim_0068
Divots should have 3 directions to them if you are using horizontal hinge action:

1) slightly open at begining of divot
2) goes fairly straight all the way to low point
3) begins to turn left due to the full roll and swivel

However as Yoda and I have conversed about something similar before (how big your divots should be) it all depends if you TRULY stay "down" until low point.

....bacon strips or pork chops?
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Divot Depth -- Breakfast Or Dinner?
Originally Posted by hg

....bacon strips or pork chops?
Divot depth is a function of Ball Location, Plane Angle and Clubface Loft. The further back in the Stance you position the Ball, the steeper the Plane Angle and the greater the Loft of the Club, the more your Divots will tend toward 'pork chops.' The reverse is true for 'bacon strips.'
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Same?
Yoda,

If I only could copy your swing.......

Do both Hitters and Swinger have the same Swivel Action?
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And there it goes
Originally Posted by Yoda
Divots indeed are taken 'Down and Out' (1-L #14), but they should not point to the right of the Target. If they do, then you have executed a Closed Plane Line (10-5-E) and, depending on Clubface alignment, the Ball Flight (both initial Direction and Path) will be subject to any number of vagaries.

Remember, you are at the bottom of a circle (Clubhead Orbit) with a radius (Left Arm and Club) some five feet in length. Accordingly, there is not a lot of 'Down' and not a lot of 'Out' left. And some of that Divot is the Club exiting the ground after Low Point and now traveling 'Up and In'. So, while the 'Outward' dimension of Impact is still present and extremely necessary to achieve, it is not enough to send the Divot out to the right.

The goal is a Three-Dimensional Impact -- Downward, Outward and Forward -- and an On Line Divot.
Great stuff. How about wrapping up by discussing in which direction the slab of grass (or piece of cartpath) should be flying - relative to the target line and/or the initial ball direction? Or did you just say that? On Line Divot
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Great stuff. How about wrapping up by discussing in which direction the slab of grass (or piece of cartpath) should be flying - relative to the target line and/or the initial ball direction? Or did you just say that? On Line Divot
I'm no expert, but I would think the slab of grass should go left. Because the clubhead is moving a little left as its leaving the ground, the face may be turning left, and because the piece of ground stays on the clubhead a bit past impact (with the ground). The slab of grass is not 'hit' straight, it is 'thrown' left.

Chris

Note: that's assuming the kind of ground where the divot holds together, not where you just get a kind of spray of dirt!
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