Checking for On Plane Clubshaft

[neil]

I believe that the hands and clubshaft can be on the turned shoulder plane even though the left arm is not.So I suppose I am saying that the plane of the left arm flying wedge is not the same as the inclined plane but the hands and clubshaft are on both-they intersect at the hands-the #3PP.

[neil]

Help YODASLUKE!

[Daryl]

Help YODASLUKE!

Oh, I see. Calling in the Big Guns.

[Daryl]

I believe that the hands and clubshaft can be on the turned shoulder plane even though the left arm is not.So I suppose I am saying that the plane of the left arm flying wedge is not the same as the inclined plane but the hands and clubshaft are on both-they intersect at the hands-the #3PP.

I agree that both planes intersect at the #3 pressure point. But the Left arm flying wedge requires a flat left wrist so that the clubshaft, wristcock, and left arm lie in the same flat plane.

You agree they intersect which implies two planes.

[neil]

I agree that both planes intersect at the #3 pressure point. But the Left arm flying wedge requires a flat left wrist so that the clubshaft, wristcock, and left arm lie in the same flat plane.

You agree they intersect which implies two planes.

No -If I thought there were two planes I would say so .I think they intersect but the hands/clubshaft are subject to the rotation of the shoulders which takes the left arm "off plane"-but it has it's "own plane"which is not the inclined plane of the right forearm.An argument could be made that you would have to bend the left wrist to keep the back of the left hand parallel to the plane-and Homer did not dismiss this so long as you get it flat at impact.If the left wrist stays flat throughout the swing then I would say that it is the #3pp that can stay on the intersection of the "two planes"but that is still the selected plane -back- in -up- down -out- forward.Or for example the turned shoulder plane o.k. where are THE BIG GUNS!

[neil]

Daryl-can't believe I beat you to it!.Another point,I believe the #3accumulator roll is the answer-or at least #3 acc.The right forearm is on plane at address and impact .The left arm retains acc#3.The left arm is never on plane -except when the waist bend is such that the shoulder turn is on plane in both directions(mostly putting).pp#3 is always on plane.

[neil]

Come on you big guns!

[Daryl]

No -If I thought there were two planes I would say so .I think they intersect but the hands/clubshaft are subject to the rotation of the shoulders which takes the left arm "off plane"-but it has it's "own plane"which is not the inclined plane of the right forearm.An argument could be made that you would have to bend the left wrist to keep the back of the left hand parallel to the plane-and Homer did not dismiss this so long as you get it flat at impact.If the left wrist stays flat throughout the swing then I would say that it is the #3pp that can stay on the intersection of the "two planes"but that is still the selected plane -back- in -up- down -out- forward.Or for example the turned shoulder plane o.k. where are THE BIG GUNS!

It's frustrating. All I want is to hit the ball better. I'm plaqued by the thought that if I know and understand more, I'll get better. It works with everything else. I don't know if anything I wrote earlier is taking me closer or farther from the mechanics involved.

However, there is no doubt in my mind as to the correctness of 6-B-3-0-1. Also I have no doubt in my mind what defines the “Inclined Plane”. And, if 6-B-3-0-1 is true, then the entire Primary Lever would need to lie flat against the inclined plane. That’s my dilemma.

I’m convinced that if we dissect the swings of everyone on this site, we’ll see something a little different. On the other hand, when viewing a swing from down-the-line, the acid test (on this site too) is drawing a straight line from the ball through the right shoulder (at the top of the swing) and examining whether or not the Clubshaft lies flat against it. I understand the validity of this test and I agree with its purpose. I can make the Clubshaft lie flat on the inclined plane and have a flat and cocked left wrist. I just can’t do it while cocking or uncocking the left wrist and comply with 6-B-3-0-1. So, What am I missing?

Where are the big Guns? They’re waiting. Do you see my new Avatar? I’m getting ready for their arrival. LOL.

[Yoda]

Where are the big Guns? They’re waiting. Do you see my new Avatar? I’m getting ready for their arrival. LOL.

Just in tonight, Daryl. For now, just know...

The perpendicular plane of the Left Wrist Cock Motion and the inclined plane of the Clubhead (Sweetspot) Line of Flight are two different things!

[strav]

Just in tonight, Daryl. For now, just know...

The perpendicular plane of the Left Wrist Cock Motion and the inclined plane of the Clubhead (Sweetspot) Line of Flight are two different things!

Not sure if this is what you mean but if not could you show us?