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Old 04-20-2007, 02:20 AM
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I have been working a lot lately for below plane issue. With the right forearm tracing, it solved.

Cup left wrist at the top issue and across the line, solved with taking the grip at low point instead of mid-hands position.

With video recorded, I saw a swaying machine however, approaching to the top of the backswing, my upper body will trend to lean forward a bit. My head is directly above the ball instead of slight behind it.

I have my axis tilt at setup, I knew that my right shoulder need to be down plane with hip slide for the start down. With most of my effort made, the upper body with my head still sway forward….

Any drill to rectify this?
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Old 04-21-2007, 11:57 AM
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I have been working a lot lately for below plane issue. With the right forearm tracing, it solved.

Cup left wrist at the top issue and across the line, solved with taking the grip at low point instead of mid-hands position.

With video recorded, I saw a swaying machine however, approaching to the top of the backswing, my upper body will trend to lean forward a bit. My head is directly above the ball instead of slight behind it.

I have my axis tilt at setup, I knew that my right shoulder need to be down plane with hip slide for the start down. With most of my effort made, the upper body with my head still sway forward….

Any drill to rectify this?

The grip is best taken at impact fix, not low point.

Re: a sway - hard to say without seeing your motion, however it may be helpful to look at your hip motion and/or your chin position.

Feel your right hip move back over your right heel as your right forearm is taking the club up plane. 'Sit' on your right cheek.

Check that your left shoulder is getting 'under' your chin, not colliding with it. It can be very helpful to turn the chin to the right (Nicklaus) as a swing trigger.
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Old 04-22-2007, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by EdZ View Post
The grip is best taken at impact fix, not low point.
Thanks EdZ. I will try that.

But why i think it is good to take the grip at low point as for myself, as it is easy to have a FLV left hand to match club face alignment. At fix, i have to "think" about the slightly open club face impact alignment with slight turned left hand. Someting i hold the club too strong for that.
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Old 04-22-2007, 03:37 PM
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I have been working a lot lately for below plane issue. With the right forearm tracing, it solved.

Cup left wrist at the top issue and across the line, solved with taking the grip at low point instead of mid-hands position.

With video recorded, I saw a swaying machine however, approaching to the top of the backswing, my upper body will trend to lean forward a bit. My head is directly above the ball instead of slight behind it.

I have my axis tilt at setup, I knew that my right shoulder need to be down plane with hip slide for the start down. With most of my effort made, the upper body with my head still sway forward….

Any drill to rectify this?
Hi KOC, i had/have similar problem!

I find it very hard to feel what head is doing during transition/downswing.

I discussed this in another thread

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...=head+movement

but in essence i built this little device




Set up so that "the ball on stick" hides the ball to be hit. Best to use your dominant eye only for this. ie. the "ball on stick" eclipses the "ball to be struck".



Any movement of your head/dominant eye away from set up is easily noticed.

I try to have impact so that i can see no "ball to be hit" or the aft quadrant only....eg.



....if you sway you see the front edge of the ball... BAD eg.



DOn't overdo this.... it can lead to hanging back on trail side... see what you think... it allows you to monitor what you do rather than tell you what to do...
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Old 04-22-2007, 05:01 PM
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Golfbulldog,

This looks like a very cool device you built.
Maybe you should patent it and sell it!!!

If that is not in your plans can you give me/us the exact specs on the device for example how long the pole is holding the ball.....and how high the ball is from the floor etc.

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Old 04-22-2007, 06:09 PM
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Golfbulldog,

This looks like a very cool device you built.
Maybe you should patent it and sell it!!!

If that is not in your plans can you give me/us the exact specs on the device for example how long the pole is holding the ball.....and how high the ball is from the floor etc.

Sorting Through the Duffer's Bible.

B-Ray
thanks B-Ray, but already patented by somebody else!!

I thought it was original but patented already ...

I can't say it has any specific measurements... just done by trial and error... height of ball about 8 inches, need stick to be about 8 inches minimum length to avoid hitting the stand with club/driver...but to be honest i usually just rest a club horizontally on a range bucket and use the thick end of the grip to eclipse the target ball... works fine and makes you look less weird on the range!!
See what you think - it helps me sometimes...
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Old 04-22-2007, 10:42 PM
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Golfbulldog,

Thanks for the link but it seems some problem at the moment, can't see.

You shall know what I meant for the long long time discussion regarding “head movement” topic not only within TGM as well as general instruction material. Johnny Miller commented that the only deliberate head movement should be a little swivel of the chin. Joe Dante also commented “right-and-downward pattern” during the downswing.

I was at driving range to see many real beginner hitting balls while I took a rest there. They move their bodies a lot, mainly lateral, I asked myself a question why they SWAY? Umh….. with the hope of using their upper body to generate power? I saw forward sway 10 out of 10. And me, not that much but still a sway…..I need to solve the problem…

Last week, I reviewed many materials and had a few practice sessions.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2816

I also reviewed Greg Mchatton DVD while Greg gave a lesson to his student Julia, he noticed Julia with the same foreword sway problem. He asked Julia to have a neck surgery and explains that in the both arms straight follow though position, the head is indeed about 90 degree turn back….Greg also asked Julia to hold his head, “what is my head movement? ” “It’s just stay there.”

I went to range and did that, worked on basic motion first, then mainly with acquire motion. Look Look Look my finish, Check Check Check whether my head was turn back. I heard so many “Great shot” in my mind as well as from my friends. OK, it’s time for a total motion, and the result was….

I shoot 40 in the front 9 with 3 hole 3 putts last Sat. Yet, it’s time to putt and practice bunker more.

Please excuse my English as Chinese is our mother language. I think “Stationary” is not equal to “Still”
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