Bagger, i found this point confusing. How do you aim at something underneath the ground?
I think of two lines on the surface of the ground. The primary line is the target line or base of the plane line. We all visualize this line from putt to drive.
The second line is the low point line and it's approximately half an inch outside of the target line.
The 4 sides of a plane extend to infinity in all directions. When we first make contact with the ball, we are contacting it "up plane" at separation the clubhead has moved "down plane" towards low point, below the ground. This is why we emphasis an inside/out impact.
If the ground were water and the plane was a flat sheet of metal, the base of the plane is where it intersects the surface of the water. If there was a horizontal line drawn on the plane half an inch below the water, you would see it just outside the surface line.
To see the low point plane line you need a visual reference on the surface of the ground. That reference line is within an inch of the plane baseline and just outside of it.
If you have the book, Homer made some drawings depicting these plane lines.
Hope that helps.
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Bagger thanks for the nice explanation of plane. I understand the plane it's the visual reference of the low point i'm having trouble grasping.
When i use aiming point i pick a point on the baseline of the plane and try to hit down and out through that. What i don't get is lowpoint is outside the baseline but as you say also further down. So surely any point outside the baseline that you pick on the ground isn't on plane?
Bagger thanks for the nice explanation of plane. I understand the plane it's the visual reference of the low point i'm having trouble grasping.
When i use aiming point i pick a point on the baseline of the plane and try to hit down and out through that. What i don't get is lowpoint is outside the baseline but as you say also further down. So surely any point outside the baseline that you pick on the ground isn't on plane?
Hope i'm making sense,
Danny
The key thing to remember is that, unless impact is at low point, the ground isn't where the base of the plane is. The base of the plane is under the ground; an on-plane downswing is down, out, and forward, until lowpoint. Since the plane is tilted, as it's going down, it's also going out. After it passes through the ground, it's still going out. So the actual base of the plane will be outside the target line in most cases.
i think i used the word baseline when it wasn't appropriate. What i really meant is the line where the plane intersects the ground (whatever its called ).
Anyway i really do understand this plane mallarcky... honest ...that low point is outside the target line etc... But what i don't understand is; as lowpoint is further out but also down. With an iron it will be lower than the ground. As the ground is not transparent you can't see it, so how do you pick a spot on the low point to aim at?
Do a search on aiming point. It can only be found by experiment because each player uses a different plane angle, hand speed, pulley size, release type, etc and it is also different for each club.
In general, shorter clubs are further forward of the ball and longer clubs nearer. If you have the book, reference 2-C-1 and 6-E-2.
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Bagger thanks for your valiant attempts to help me understand. I read all the posts, i've seen the pics in the book. But i still can't understand how you can aim your hands to a point on the low point plane line, when it's underground and you can't see it.
Bagger thanks for your valiant attempts to help me understand. I read all the posts, i've seen the pics in the book. But i still can't understand how you can aim your hands to a point on the low point plane line, when it's underground and you can't see it.
The internet has never been the best place for communications and I'm certainly not the best at communicating in general, so lets keep going.
You don't have to treat the low point plane line as something under the ground from a visual standpoint. The equivalent line is on the surface of the ground. Its a two dimensional line right next to the target line, but just outside of it. Since your eyes are not in the plane itself but well above it, you can visually treat the low point plane line as a separate line.
The only time the clubhead is concerned with the low point line is at low point. ( what a deep thought. Told you I wasn't a good communicator) You will contact the ball on the target line but the clubhead will continue to the low point line, touch it for an instant and then move back up plane.
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From the top of your swing, mentally draw a straight line from your right index finger to a point on the ground in front of and just outside the center of the ball. Take your karate chop/lag pressure all the way down the line to that spot with quiet hands. The point you select to aim at really depends on the club selection and your hand speed. So experiment with it and move the point backwards or forwards until you locate what is right for you.
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...that low point is outside the target line etc... But what i don't understand is; as lowpoint is further out but also down. With an iron it will be lower than the ground. As the ground is not transparent you can't see it, so how do you pick a spot on the low point to aim at?
what a deep thought. Told you I wasn't a good communicator) You will contact the ball on the target line but the clubhead will continue to the low point line, touch it for an instant and then move back up plane.
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