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Old 02-14-2008, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by glcoach View Post
Forward, by the hips. I am not sure
come on dude you know this . . .#4 pressure point . . . shoulder turn . . .
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:41 PM
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Got it, thrust is directed towards the ball, but not violently so
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Originally Posted by glcoach View Post
Got it, thrust is directed towards the ball, but not violently so
sort of . . . but what MOVEMENT loads the #4 pressure point?
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sort of . . . but what MOVEMENT loads the #4 pressure point?
I would say that shoulder movement against a powerpackage with inertia loads acc 4.
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Old 02-16-2008, 07:29 AM
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I would say that shoulder movement against a powerpackage with inertia loads acc 4.
What shoulder motion would you say expands the #4 angle? Being the master accumulator and all . . .
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Old 02-16-2008, 09:13 AM
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by expands the number 4 accumulator angle...you mean initiates release of 4?? I think that it is the slowing of right shoulder motion down plane...

Look at that video of mine...


why does the shaft stay near his right shoulder at the beginning of his downswing ( where shoulders go from about 100 degrees closed to about 50 degrees closed and the hands and clubhead travel equal amounts) where shoulder rotation is equal to clubhead rotation

to... shaft moving away from shoulder as the shoulders move about another 50 degress but the clubhead goes form above his head to impact.... that is the release of 4,2,3... and there is relatively little right shoulder motion during that phase of the swing... it still moves... but it is slower and still on plane....

The slowing of the right shoulder is the thing... the flywheel has spun the power package and the power package moves on as the flywheel slows ( but stays on plane)

At least that is the way I see it... mind still open to offers!
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Old 02-16-2008, 10:09 AM
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I don't understand why you think that the hands move away from the target to keep balance.

I think that Hogna's hands move away from the target because the shoulders have started to turn and that throws the clubshaft away from the target as the shoulder turns from 100 degrees to 70 degrees.

Consider a photograph of a good golfer hitting an iron -seen from above.



The figures represent the degree of torso-pelvis separation, and the degree of torso-pelvic separation decreases in the early downswing because the shoulders turn faster than the pelvis in the early downswing. Note as the right shoulder turns around that it must move away from the target, and that causes the hands to also move away from the target.

Here is the result of a study measuring many different values - and you can see that shoulder rotation speed exceeds pelvis rotation speed by the end of the early downswing (lead arm parallel to the ground).

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/MyersTable.jpg

Regarding release of power accumulator 4, doesn't that happen from the start of the downswing - due to muscle pulling the left arm across the rotating torso as the torso rotates around in the downswing. The muscles colored in red in the following photo are the relevant muscles pulling the left shoulder socket and left arm.



I think that the clubshaft stays near the right shoulder at the start of the downswing because Hogan had very relaxed wrists and the small amount of movement of the hands at the start of the downswing has not yet affected the clubshaft which lags behind the hands.

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Old 02-16-2008, 11:32 AM
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This is an interesting study. I have noticed that with many of the Max Trigger Delay players, that the right shoulder stays high longer into the downswing-- Hogan, Garcia, Clampett, O'Grady... and some of the Plummer and Bennett players, like Baddeley, have some of this. One of the questions here, is how do these players get the club down to Release Point? If the right shoulder is not bringing the club down, then some other part of the Pivot is, unless they have an arm drop independent of the Pivot... either with the Straightening Right Arm, or Gravity.

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