The more I think about the move that VJ describes and then see the first and last shots in the youtube stuff I edited...the more I see the forward move in the backswing as an inevitable motion/reaction rather than a specific move that needs to be learnt.
OK, in the first shot he is REALLY going for it...one of the few pieces of Hogan footage where he nearly loses balance at the finish...so maybe discount this one...
But the last footage is 1956 in Mexico...small time home movie....nothing to fear...nothing to prove....natural full swing....
The left heel only raises when he moves forward with his body maintaining the axis tilt established in the backswing. He does this without too much sag...
He actually moves forward, increases hip rotation and lifts the left heel all at the same time...and it seems so natural...in VJ's book he describes a targetwards motion of the pivot much earlier in the backswing...this has to learnt...looks less natural than Hogan.
OK, so i have not hit a ball in anger in 8 months...not even a range rock in 3 months... but in the mirror in my apartment I can achieve the same Hogan move by trying to do what Hogan tells us to do...it is TRYING to keep the club against the right hip (page 75 in my old Modern Fundamentals)...
I do not achieve what he wants but I find that in trying to do so and also get a good right hip turn...the weight WANTS to move forwards...it is inevitable and feels natural...not a move that has to learnt.
So what does it feel like...it feels like I am keeping my shin bone fixed, weight on inner right foot (Venturi had right golf shoe made to enhance this)...letting the knee rotate a little and permitting the right hip to move towards target...any comments...I was trying not to post due to work commitments but I re-read VJ's book and Modern Fundamentals...just can't keep away!
Compare with Tiger's move in this video where he actually achieves what Hogan requested...right hip does not move at all in backswing...
We know who has the most majors but then we also know Tiger would love to swing like Ben!!
Phew! That's a confusing post. I have no idea what you are talking about. I cannot even work out if you are trying to describe the backswing or downswing, or whether the shin bone is the left or right shin bone.
If I cannot understand your viewpoint, I cannot learn something new.
Phew! That's a confusing post. I have no idea what you are talking about. I cannot even work out if you are trying to describe the backswing or downswing, or whether the shin bone is the left or right shin bone.
If I cannot understand your viewpoint, I cannot learn something new.
Sigh!
Jeff.
Right shin bone...right tibia to you and me.
Backswing-transition into downswing...clue is in the video ...
Look at Yoda's transition in KOC's video....looks very nice...got your reverse K and everything!
The reference is to the plane Mr. Hogan spoke of in 5 Lessons.
This point you are arguing about the movement of Hogan's pelvis always revolves around the same images. There are many, many that are not staged performances of Mr. Hogan's swing after 1950.
I have a question for you now. Are you or is your company hiring? If so, I would like for you to hire me so that I can provide for my family, research golf, improve my own game and SPEND AS MUCH TIME ARGUING IN CYBERSPACE as you do.
I say this without being argumenative. I just don't understand why you don't take a closer look into Hogan's pivot sequence.
The more I think about the move that VJ describes and then see the first and last shots in the youtube stuff I edited...the more I see the forward move in the backswing as an inevitable motion/reaction rather than a specific move that needs to be learnt.
OK, in the first shot he is REALLY going for it...one of the few pieces of Hogan footage where he nearly loses balance at the finish...so maybe discount this one...
But the last footage is 1956 in Mexico...small time home movie....nothing to fear...nothing to prove....natural full swing....
The left heel only raises when he moves forward with his body maintaining the axis tilt established in the backswing. He does this without too much sag...
He actually moves forward, increases hip rotation and lifts the left heel all at the same time...and it seems so natural...in VJ's book he describes a targetwards motion of the pivot much earlier in the backswing...this has to learnt...looks less natural than Hogan.
OK, so i have not hit a ball in anger in 8 months...not even a range rock in 3 months... but in the mirror in my apartment I can achieve the same Hogan move by trying to do what Hogan tells us to do...it is TRYING to keep the club against the right hip (page 75 in my old Modern Fundamentals)...
I do not achieve what he wants but I find that in trying to do so and also get a good right hip turn...the weight WANTS to move forwards...it is inevitable and feels natural...not a move that has to learnt.
So what does it feel like...it feels like I am keeping my shin bone fixed, weight on inner right foot (Venturi had right golf shoe made to enhance this)...letting the knee rotate a little and permitting the right hip to move towards target...any comments...I was trying not to post due to work commitments but I re-read VJ's book and Modern Fundamentals...just can't keep away!
Compare with Tiger's move in this video where he actually achieves what Hogan requested...right hip does not move at all in backswing...
We know who has the most majors but then we also know Tiger would love to swing like Ben!!
Golfbulldog,
Your clip led me to make another one...
Back to this topic, many members have disclosed the missing piece move from VJ’s book, here and somewhere else, we knew that VJ figured it out that Hogan’s weight was….
I think that is the “weight shift” issue and therefore hip motion, hip turn and knee action in the yellow book. I also related to what Mr. Hogan talked about in his 5-lessons book regarding Ed Stewart's left knee. I also noticed that Moe Norman said “:..I play into my leg, not on top of it.” I also noticed Jody Vasquez talked about the correct functioning of the right leg and my own take on that as the right feet and leg feel the ground and put against it for the change of direction at the “top”.…IMHO, the combination of the above is the essence of the rotary and lateral move.
Sorry if you guys don't know what i am talking about...hehe….sometime it is difficult for a Chinese to say in other language precisely.
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
KOC if we could even attempt to speak in Cantonese I am sure you would have a giggle at it! You do velly well (and for those who think this unPC, KOC knows I grew up speaking Chinglish ).
The important elements of Hogan's Missing Piece are:
The displacement of the pelvis in sequence: Meaning, when the the hip slide/axis tilt actually takes place.
The Tri-pod Center: No stack n tilt with Mr. Hogan. The Hula-Hula of the hips moves the center of mass to the left leg axis.
Low Point: The movement of the center of mass (hip slide/axis tilt/hula-hula)has an effect on low point. Which has an effect on the ball's relationship to the plane. Which has an effect on the bullet hole that goes through the baseball.
Ball Positioning: Its relationship to low point and the arc/angle of approach
Did Mr. Hogan move laterally before the completion of the backswing? Yes he did.
Did Mr. Hogan's pivot sequence change after the wreck? Just a little video research can show you significant changes in his pivot sequence.
Did the impact Mr. Hogan's game? Just look at the record with the above in mind.
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