VJ's Hogan Analysis

[Jeff]

12 piece bucket

Although I like Shawn Clement's video lessons, he speaks in simplistic terms and uses vague terminology (eg. gravity, momentum) to describe forces powering the golf swing. He would be able to offer much better advice if he studied and understood TGM.

Jeff.

[dkerby]

Jeff, it is not my theory that when the hips are turned back to
the left, that this tightens the muscles of the hips and the
shoulders. This was Hogan's theory. I posted what he said.
I do agree with his findings.

I watched the video from Shawn Clements. I certainly agree
with his braced tilt. His one leg drill was very good. Note that
his center of mass was over the pivot axis before starting down.

I do not agree with his video on the free fall of the arms. It
appears that he is using a shift with turn as he dropps the arms.
He says that he "pushes" through the ball. I think as a swinger
that he should be pulling the arms through the ball.

Hogan states, on pg 93, of the five lessons, that the arms
are carried down by the movement of the hips. V.J. pieced
together a particular swing in which Hogan rotated his hips
100 degrees in 0.18/Sec. V.J. went on to say that, "It is
evident that this type of speed is correlated to having the
the center of mass over an axis of rotation. Sure I believe
in axis tilt. Note from Shawn's picture that his left shoulder
appears to be even with the ball even with the axis tilt. This
is a conerstone of V.J.s findings. If you try to use a shift with
turn, as in the arms drop video, I do not think that you can
make the moves that V.J. describes. I also agree with Yodas
premis that you set the accumulators with the hip movement
and whirl the gyroscope.

Your work on the subject is very good. I certainly appreciate
your time and effort. After watching the video, I can see
where you are coming from.

Donn

[Jeff]

Donn

You state that you don't agree with Shawn Clement's description of his "falling arms". I can understand why you may not understand his personal descriptions/perspective, because I have never really understood how Shawn Clement powers his swing, even though I have viewed all his 107 video lessons. He often uses terms like "falling arms", "club falling due to gravity", "using momentum to throw the club up to the end-backswing position" in the backstroke movement, "catapulting the arms through the impact zone". I think that I would better understand his swing if he used TGM terminology. However, I love watching him swing. He makes golf seem effortless and natural. He has an amazing capacity to swing consistently and always scuff the ground at the same point swing-after-swing. His timing is impeccable.

I agree with you that Hogan had an amazingly fast and amazingly fluid pelvis rotation speed in his early/mid downswing. However, i don't think that it has anything to do with the fact that his center of mass is near his axis of rotation at the start of the downswing. I think that the answer lies in Hogan's amazing ability to get the relevant musculoskeletal structures to perform flawlessly (He could whirl the gyroscope like a superb ballet dancer eg. Michail Barysknikov).

Jeff.

[dkerby]

Thanks Jeff. Somewhere I think that Homer Kelley said that
you can do anything you want as long as you know what
you are doing. One of my favorite quotes from Homer:
"Demanding that golf instruction be kept simple does not
make it simple -- only incomplete and ineffective".

Your topic for discussion is one of the best posted. I certainly
hope that you bring up other topics for discussion. Your Drawings,
pictures, references to videos and viewpoints are a real asset
to the forum.

Donn