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Old 09-04-2008, 02:05 PM
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I have a question about EA and centrifugal force.

Joe Norwood talked about Ben Hogan's left arm being fully extended, and that most people short themselves of valuable additional inches to their swing radius. Of course HK gave as a very accurate definition and understanding of this particualr point in the form of extensor action. Will the throwout caused by CF cause the left arm to extend in the same manner i.e. a full extension of the primary lever? I know swingers employ EA just as hitters do, but will CF extend the left arm to the same degree?

Is this an example of why Hogan maintained that one should reverse every natural instinct that you may have relating to the golf stroke. EA is an artificial force, Hogan used extensor action (working on his left arm for some time according to Norwood) so could this be yet another "Hogan Secret?" I'm not sure I asked a real question! I gues I'm trying to understand figure if CF/throwout maintains the radius of the primary lever or if it is largely EA? Convoluted?
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:48 PM
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I have a question about EA and centrifugal force.

Joe Norwood talked about Ben Hogan's left arm being fully extended, and that most people short themselves of valuable additional inches to their swing radius. Of course HK gave as a very accurate definition and understanding of this particualr point in the form of extensor action. Will the throwout caused by CF cause the left arm to extend in the same manner i.e. a full extension of the primary lever? I know swingers employ EA just as hitters do, but will CF extend the left arm to the same degree?

Is this an example of why Hogan maintained that one should reverse every natural instinct that you may have relating to the golf stroke. EA is an artificial force, Hogan used extensor action (working on his left arm for some time according to Norwood) so could this be yet another "Hogan Secret?" I'm not sure I asked a real question! I gues I'm trying to understand figure if CF/throwout maintains the radius of the primary lever or if it is largely EA? Convoluted?
EA is an artificial force? How come?


EA maintains the radius- I don't think it exends it beyond impact fix alignments. CF throw out releases the left wrist to level for impact. EA is a right arm inline force on the left arm- not a left arm force to add an inch. It is the right arm that applies force downward on the left arm- not along its radius to move the left in an arc. The left arm is just structure- geometry. The right shoulder thrust and the pivot train is its physics. EA is pure struture and Geomtery. Power package glue.
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by okie View Post
I have a question about EA and centrifugal force.

Joe Norwood talked about Ben Hogan's left arm being fully extended, and that most people short themselves of valuable additional inches to their swing radius. Of course HK gave as a very accurate definition and understanding of this particualr point in the form of extensor action. Will the throwout caused by CF cause the left arm to extend in the same manner i.e. a full extension of the primary lever? I know swingers employ EA just as hitters do, but will CF extend the left arm to the same degree?

Is this an example of why Hogan maintained that one should reverse every natural instinct that you may have relating to the golf stroke. EA is an artificial force, Hogan used extensor action (working on his left arm for some time according to Norwood) so could this be yet another "Hogan Secret?" I'm not sure I asked a real question! I gues I'm trying to understand figure if CF/throwout maintains the radius of the primary lever or if it is largely EA? Convoluted?
The Left Arm can be extented actively by "Extensor Action" or/and its own extending action, or/and passively by centripetal pull or pivot snap.

I believe Mr. Hogan applied the former three.

In terms of "Hogan maintained that one should reverse every natural instinct that you may have relating to the golf stroke.", I believe he means:

hit the ball w/o thinking of hitting the ball,
hit it straight w/o thinking of hitting it straight,
hit it far w/o thinking of hitting it far,
hit it high w/o thinking of hitting it high,
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:55 AM
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By artificial I mean that we the golfer create it. I guess you got to the root of what I am trying to figure out! When CF is throwing my primary lever out how long will my left arm be? I get that EA is for structure, not for lengthening per say, but I have also observed that a left arm with EA is longer than a left arm without it! This seemed an important uninetended consequence and I found reference to it in Joe Norwood's book Golf-o-Metrics, specifically concerning Ben Hogan's left arm. Thanks for the corrective insight.
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By artificial I mean that we the golfer create it. I guess you got to the root of what I am trying to figure out! When CF is throwing my primary lever out how long will my left arm be? I get that EA is for structure, not for lengthening per say, but I have also observed that a left arm with EA is longer than a left arm without it! This seemed an important uninetended consequence and I found reference to it in Joe Norwood's book Golf-o-Metrics, specifically concerning Ben Hogan's left arm. Thanks for the corrective insight.
The left arms appears to be longer because it is kept straight by the right arm. EA is NOT keeping the left arm straight like that old adage-"keep the left arm straight" Homer discovered that what appears to be one thing is really caused by another. Others stopped at outward appearances as truth. (not talking about Norwood but those that adhere to the straight arm thing)

Right arm- extensor action force (physics). Left arm- a lever & pendulum (structure- geometry) And remember 20% of the stroke checklist is Extensor Action. See the video "Homer's greatest Hits"

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