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Old 11-15-2009, 11:07 AM
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Daryl,

Looking at the pics again, where you say bent and flat left wrist, should it read cocked and level instead?

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Old 11-15-2009, 12:32 PM
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This better explains what I'm trying to say. The Left Wrist is Level and Flat at Impact for Both Procedures.

TGM's Turned Shoulder Plane requires a Release Swivel for the Left Wrist to return to vertical for Impact if the Sweetspot was swiveled to Plane at Start-up. We have ultimate control of the Clubshaft on a Turned Shoulder Plane with the Flat Left Wrist and full use of the #2 and 3 Accumulators. The Right Hand controls the Clubhead on every swing plane but it won't do it at the expense of the Left Arm Wedge when on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

The Elbow Plane needs the "Hogan Swivel" to change from a Bent Left Wrist to a Flat Left Wrist for Impact. I don't consider it a True Sequenced Release because all it does is spin the shaft around it's axis. It's like a Ball and Socket Swivel and can accommodate any plane angle with a lost Left Arm Wedge.

The Hogan Swivel needs to be Stopped to prevent over swiveling at or before Impact otherwise timing needs to be perfect. I think that this can be done in two ways. First, slam the wrist into an arched position after Uncocking so that the Left Wrist can be held vertical for Impact. Second, use pivot force to overcome the swivel as the left wrist becomes vertical. Arching doesn't need such a driving pivot and my experiments show that it doesn't have the timing issues either. Also, the driving pivot method, which is being talked about (force will create alignments), doesn't lend much confidence when face with a delicate 30 yard pitch shot.

If you Bend (Cup) the Left Wrist even only slightly, it is Bent and will require the Hogan Type swivel to prevent bending the Delivery Line.
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Old 11-15-2009, 01:36 PM
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Great stuff Daryl! Why would we ever want to go back to the elbow plane? The TSP appears so much simpler a procedure!

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Old 11-15-2009, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
Great stuff Daryl! Why would we ever want to go back to the elbow plane? The TSP appears so much simpler a procedure!

Kevin

With your Right Elbow on the Shaft Plane (the RFFW), an Elbow Plane in Homer speak, you must get back there to prevent toe down or toe up impact.
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
With your Right Elbow on the Shaft Plane (the RFFW), an Elbow Plane in Homer speak, you must get back there to prevent toe down or toe up impact.
Because of the lie of the clubs?

That would be the mistake many folks make, fitting the lie of the clubs to the address alignments rather than impact alignments.

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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
Because of the lie of the clubs?
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Absolutely. The amount of work Daryl has put into this is staggering. But the TSP is a StartDown Plane of Motion. Impact is ideally along the Shaft Plane Angle, the clubs lie angle, which will also be considered an Elbow Plane if the Elbow is also on that same Plane Angle. A very good thing that most truly great golfers achieve at Impact and Homer reasoned the perfect alignment around which to adjust our machines at Fix. This alignment, this RFFW on the shaft plane at address is perhaps the only tell tail sign of a TGM adherent. That and some totally bizarre golf terminology.

Plane Shifts do happen, for longer swings anyways, but the straight line Base Line stays put. So keep tracing my friends. 1-L-18



The plane angle you release along is a function of what plane angle shifts you are employing and at what point you release. Its a flat plane yes, like a sheet of glass, that shifts its angle up and down with the base line staying in place.

Now if you point the entire flat plane, sheet of glass, left or right of the original target and trace the new straight base line associated with this new plane of motion , then you are said to have "bent the plane" or its base line to the left or the right. This new Delivery Path of the clubhead when combined with variations in clubface angles will produce curved shots for instance. You bend the plane to the right to hit a draw say. Meaning your sheet of glass is pointing right and your clubface is pointed left of that to some degree. The geometry stays the same, you still trace the base line, the plane angle changes etc.

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Man, I keep thinking I know some stuff, but every day I learn something new from an entirely different perspective. Thanks guys for keeping this fun!

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Absolutely. The amount of work Daryl has put into this is staggering. But the TSP is a StartDown Plane of Motion. Impact is ideally along the Shaft Plane Angle, the clubs lie angle, which will also be considered an Elbow Plane if the Elbow is also on that same Plane Angle. A very good thing that most truly great golfers achieve at Impact and Homer reasoned the perfect alignment around which to adjust our machines at Fix. This alignment, this RFFW on the shaft plane at address is perhaps the only tell tail sign of a TGM adherent. That and some totally bizarre golf terminology.

Plane Shifts do happen, for longer swings anyways, but the straight line Base Line stays put. So keep tracing my friends. 1-L-18



The plane angle you release along is a function of what plane angle shifts you are employing and at what point you release. Its a flat plane yes, like a sheet of glass, that shifts its angle up and down with the base line staying in place.

Now if you point the entire flat plane, sheet of glass, left or right of the original target and trace the new straight base line associated with this new plane of motion , then you are said to have "bent the plane" or its base line to the left or the right. This new Delivery Path of the clubhead when combined with variations in clubface angles will produce curved shots for instance. You bend the plane to the right to hit a draw say. Meaning your sheet of glass is pointing right and your clubface is pointed left of that to some degree. The geometry stays the same, you still trace the base line, the plane angle changes etc.
Who put you up to this? I can't believe you said any of that with a straight face.

Seriously, people are going to believe you if you don't get back here and tell them you're only pranking them.


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7-7 PLANE ANGLE VARIATIONS Due to personal preference, natural inclination of the pressure of conditions it is not always possible or advisable to adhere to a single Inclined Plane classification throughout the entire Stroke. Players often – consciously or subconsciously – employ more than one of the “natural” Planes. The Shoulder Planes are the more consciously employed – the Elbow Plane the more – almost totally – subconsciously used. Vaguely or incorrectly defined Planes and Variations must be eliminated. The list is restricted to those of fairly common usage – good and bad. Other than the Right Shoulder positions, only the Elbow reference point has any great general usefulness. The “Hand Angle” is emergency or special purpose application. Wrist Action and the selected Inclined Plane must be compatible – watch especially with “No Wristcock” Strokes.

During any Shift of Planes the Clubshaft is held On Plane with the Plane Line as though the Plane itself were moving to the new location. Other controlled procedures that achieve On Plane Impact may be more difficult but need not be deemed improper. Such as positioning the Clubshaft at The Top of the Plane Angle intended for Release. And study 2-N.
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10-7-0 GENERAL Plane Angle Variations are classified according to the shifts in Plane Angle of the Stroke path. A shift may be made (1) during the Backstroke (2) during the Downstroke, or (3) at the Top of the Stroke.

10-7-A ZERO This classification is included so it can be indicated in a player’s prepared Stroke Pattern that one Basic Plane Angle is to be used throughout the stroke without a “Variation” – that is, No Shift.

10-7-B SINGLE SHIFT This Shift relates only to the shift from the Elbow Angle to the Turned Shoulder Angle during the Backstroke, with a Downstroke on the Turned Shoulder Plane Angle.

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