Even if it is true that a sweep releaser's max head speed is sustained to impact through the free-wheeling stage of uncocking(which I don't believe), a snap release increases the uncocking speed by the momentum imparted to the club as the hands hit the end of their straight line effort path - the "hard" release, and therefore has a higher max head speed. This is true kinetic chain snapping, and isn't available to the sweep releaser.
As for hand speed, in the TSP Swing, the hands should only move as fast as they are driven downplane by the right shoulder to release point. The hands should get ahead because of the pivot and a late release, not by hand/arm effort, which is steering.
the sweep releaser with his large pulley can have less velocity and more thrust, and with a high turning speed, and or high hand speed can produce a speed equal to a snap releaser who's hand speed is limited (for a given player), as snap release noticeably restricts maximum hand speed homer's words...
If you think that the clubhead is slowing down after it uncocks you are completely missing the pulley concept.
true kinetic energy is certainly available to a sweep releaser, as long as the hips pull the shoulders ,pulls the arms, pulls the hands, pulls the shaft, pulls the clubhead all the way through the ball.
who brought up hand/arm effort anywhere? if the hands are seeking their delivery line this is not steering.
mj maybe you are thinking of impact deceleration which is a completely separate factor. when the club releases the angular momentum is proportionate to the turning speed. there are so many power sources that can be configured in so many ways, snap release, random sweep, sweep release, hitting, swinging, overlapped accumulators, sequenced accumulators, turning speed, hand speed, swing radius, thrust, velocity, etc... there is more than one way to create maximum distance for a given player, some create speed one way others another way.
Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
Like the clubhead, I've tried a lot of things that didn't quite make it!
first bolded, the sweep releaser with his large pulley can have less velocity and more thrust, and with a high turning speed, and or high hand speed can produce a speed equal to a snap releaser who's hand speed is limited, as snap release noticeably restricts maximum hand speed, not my words homer's...
whatever speed it creates with whatever pulley size aka however soon or late you release the club shortly after release the speed created will remain constant as long as you keep turning.
If you think that the clubhead is slowing down after it uncocks you are completely missing the pulley concept.
second bolded.. true kinetic energy is certainly available to a sweep releaser, as long as the hips pull the shoulders pulls the arms pulls the hands pulls the shaft pulls the clubhead all the way through the ball it is just more thrust than velocity as all the accumulators are going nearly at once.
third bolded.. who brought up hand/arm effort anywhere? if the hands are seeking their delivery line this is certainly not steering.
mj maybe you are thinking of impact deceleration which is a completely separate factor...
try harder, no quitting
1st bolded - In a TSP Swing, your hand speed is limited by right shoulder speed, unless you throwaway #4, which is pivot power, in which case even if you could spin like a politician, it won't do much good. And, if you're also sweep releasing, which is #2 throwaway, you've thrown away your two power sources! And, even if #4 isn't thrown away, why could someone turn faster sweeping than snapping?
2nd bolded - No it won't remain constant in the real world - too much friction in the human machine - remember the word "tries"?
3rd bolded - You are carrying the pulley analogy too far. In the golf swing, the pulley section is less than 90 degs, not 180, and the hand speed isn't constant as it is in the endless belt pulley.
4th bolded - I brought it up. If you over accelerate the hands from the top and sweep release, you will have to steer to get the hands to beat the club head to the ball.
5th bolded - And if my Aunt had testicles, she would be my Uncle, which would also be a completely separate factor.
6th bolded - You can't push a shopping cart any faster than you can run, no matter how hard you try.
1st bolded - In a TSP Swing, your hand speed is limited by right shoulder speed, unless you throwaway #4, which is pivot power, in which case even if you could spin like a politician, it won't do much good. And, if you're also sweep releasing, which is #2 throwaway, you've thrown away your two power sources! And, even if #4 isn't thrown away, why could someone turn faster sweeping than snapping?
2nd bolded - No it won't remain constant in the real world - too much friction in the human machine - remember the word "tries"?
3rd bolded - You are carrying the pulley analogy too far. In the golf swing, the pulley section is less than 90 degs, not 180, and the hand speed isn't constant as it is in the endless belt pulley.
4th bolded - I brought it up. If you over accelerate the hands from the top and sweep release, you will have to steer to get the hands to beat the club head to the ball.
5th bolded - And if my Aunt had testicles, she would be my Uncle, which would also be a completely separate factor.
6th bolded - You can't push a shopping cart any faster than you can run, no matter how hard you try.
you seem to be under the impression that as soon as you release the club you start losing energy and speed so you better jam it as far down there as late as possible so that you don't have time to lose speed, this is not correct. A sweep release has a larger pulley than a snap release, how is this "taking the pulley analogy too far" and what are you talking about when you say 90 degrees, 180 degrees?? and the handspeed "not constant as in the endless belt" not sure what you mean there either. "you can't push a shopping cart any faster than you can run"... and??
Also homer wrote a book based on laws OF THE REAL WORLD not sure what you mean by friction in the human machine or why the principles don't hold up in "the real world".
1st bolded - In a TSP Swing, your hand speed is limited by right shoulder speed, unless you throwaway #4, which is pivot power, in which case even if you could spin like a politician, it won't do much good. And, if you're also sweep releasing, which is #2 throwaway, you've thrown away your two power sources! And, even if #4 isn't thrown away, why could someone turn faster sweeping than snapping?
2nd bolded - No it won't remain constant in the real world - too much friction in the human machine - remember the word "tries"?
3rd bolded - You are carrying the pulley analogy too far. In the golf swing, the pulley section is less than 90 degs, not 180, and the hand speed isn't constant as it is in the endless belt pulley.
4th bolded - I brought it up. If you over accelerate the hands from the top and sweep release, you will have to steer to get the hands to beat the club head to the ball.
5th bolded - And if my Aunt had testicles, she would be my Uncle, which would also be a completely separate factor.
6th bolded - You can't push a shopping cart any faster than you can run, no matter how hard you try.
Mike O would like to get your aunt's phone number......
Mike O would like to get your aunt's phone number......
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2) Whip - The section you quoted regarding Angular speed - that's RPM's - not clubhead speed. So Homer's contention is that the RPM's of the lever assembly stays constant upon release for the swinger and slowed slightly for the hitter based on measurements he made from photos in The Search for the Perfect Swing however realize the clubhead is picking up significant speed during release - due to lever extension etc. No book but I think the Release Section is the period of clubhead acceleration. Anyway a common mis-read that continues to confuse.
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2) Whip - The section you quoted regarding Angular speed - that's RPM's - not clubhead speed. So Homer's contention is that the RPM's of the lever assembly stays constant upon release for the swinger and slowed slightly for the hitter based on measurements he made from photos in The Search for the Perfect Swing however realize the clubhead is picking up significant speed during release - due to lever extension etc. No book but I think the Release Section is the period of clubhead acceleration. Anyway a common mis-read that continues to confuse.
Correct he says that the centrifugal acceleration reaches maximum speed shortly after release and tries to remain constant, this is separate from clubhead speed which per the endless belt picks up speed significantly as the lever is extended going around the pulley.
Last edited by whip : 04-26-2012 at 03:03 PM.
Reason: correction
once the left wrist is uncocked the lever is at full extension and the clubhead speed will be proportional to the angular speed of the center and the velocity produced by the size of the pulley. Most players with the exception of David toms only uncock to level from the period of swivel hinge and impact and terefore once the maximum speed is created by the lever extension it will remain constant so long as you keep turning
I was able to see that you understood and agreed with my post however I was not sure I was able to exactly comprehend your entire post. If I were to summarize an area I don't think you had quite right then I would say that you were saying - Once the swinger's left wrist uncocks to a level position the clubhead no longer picks up speed.
That would only be true for a zero number three accumulator. The release in reference to the endless belt refers to number two and number three accumulators, once the left wrist uncocks to level then the roll of the number three accumulator adds significant clubhead speed for the swinger, that's why you have it in shots where you want additional power.
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