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Old 07-30-2012, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cathy.schmidt@lpgagolf.co View Post
Hi all I have to post about today's lesson with Dan Malizia...

This PRO knows THE MACHINE!

A phone conversation with Lynn the other night sent me on my way to seek again

Dan's history working with MAC stirred my quest. There is nothing more stimulating than to learn more and Dan gave me a tripple dose of Knowlege followed by practical application and produced the must reliable baby push draws ever. The ball never crossed the center line.

I am off to play another event and of August and this time I will land all greens with a repetable and predictable shot pattern.

If you have the chance...take it and go meet
Dan Malizia LBC Master
this trip scored for the records.

Thanks Lynn for telling me to go and Thanks Dan for sharing your wealth of knowlege.

Cathy Schmidt
Thanks for this summary, Cathy. So proud to have both you and Dan on the Lynn Blake Certified Instructor team.

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Old 07-30-2012, 12:36 PM
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OB:

Cathy and I set up the machine as follows:

1. Ball 4 inches behind low point. This allows the
path to be moving downplane but outward at impact.

2. The clubface was aimed slightly to the right (open)
of the target at separation, accounting for the ball's initial direction (slightly
to the right).

The clubface,however, was slightly closed to the path. This produced the draw spin.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:59 PM
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OB:

Cathy and I set up the machine as follows:

1. Ball 4 inches behind low point. This allows the
path to be moving downplane but outward at impact.

2. The clubface was aimed slightly to the right (open)
of the target at separation, accounting for the ball's initial direction (slightly
to the right).

The clubface,however, was slightly closed to the path. This produced the draw spin.


Thanks Dan .

This is the stuff that I wish we talked about more often. There are options.

Great stuff

ob

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Old 07-30-2012, 10:00 PM
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Right on!
I agree OB. This is stuff that interests me-practical applications are my speed rather than theoretical.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:50 PM
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In Heaven, Mike Wallace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Wallace_(journalist) conducts this interview:

Wallace: Ma'am, we've researched the record and can find no mention in Genesis of 'golf' and its 'ball flight' laws.

The Lord: I invented golf on the 8th day.

Wallace: I see. But, why were there no special instructions for that first twosome?

The Lord: There was no need. Man and woman were in place, as were the Laws that governed the uinverse. It was only necessary that they play and comply.

Wallace: So why has there been so much confusion through the centuries?

The Lord: That's just the Hell of it!


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Old 07-31-2012, 12:51 PM
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Hah yes the devil was in the old details.

Re Options.

In 7-3 Homer describes Grip Rotation for manipulated Hands Swingers and Hitters (basically all of us). As you take the ball back along the Arc of Approach to your desired placement you Rotate the handle in your hands accordingly so that the face remains square to the Impact Plane Line. Draw shot ensuing but you need to aim your Plane Line to the Right of the Hole .

Different strokes for different folks. Different ball response too Id imagine as there's less loft to the face in the latter procedure. So lower , hotter .

One instructor I know does the procedure I mention above but set up square to the hole and then without moving his stance line rotates his shoulders and arms and club and face as a unit out to the right .

Dan how do you take the fade out of a tee shot played slightly forward of low point, face square to plane line ? It seems like my driver wants to set up like that.

Thanks again
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:06 PM
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O.B.:

You are right of course. There are many ways to curve the ball; the fact remains that the face and path must be at odds for the ball to curve. The "hot" curve is great on drives and situations when distance is advantageous. Hitting the "open face draw" is advantageous when accuracy and spin are required.

If the ball is forward of low point, and the goal was to take the "fade", the curve, off the ball, you would have to match up path and club face.

You could do any of the following:

Rotate the plane line closed by adjusting the stance - this would counter the "up and in" path of the club past low point.

You could shift the plane during the swing - this would require a huge lateral shift of the hips and, obviously force the right shoulder under the plane on the downswing. This "in to out" would again counter the "up and in". (not my first choice!)

You could rotate the grip to the right to insure a more closed clubface at separation, or

Finally, you could close the face slightly (matching the face and the path) and play an intentional pull.

Having said all that, I would play the ball slightly behind the low point with the driver - better compression and less adjustments.

Mac O'Grady used to tell us the best swing has "the maximum time to make the minimum adjustments"...words to live by.

I hope I got all the adjustments right, it's really hot in Florida!!
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Understanding Homer Kelley and 'Manipulated Hands'
Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post

In 7-3 Homer describes Grip Rotation for manipulated Hands Swingers and Hitters (basically all of us). As you take the ball back along the Arc of Approach to your desired placement you Rotate the handle in your hands . . .
O.B. Left, one of the great seekers, thinkers, and writers on LBG, has made an important point. One I fear is lost on most of us (as it was on me until I carefully re-read his post).

He states, "...as you take the BALL [emphasis mine] back along the Arc of Approach...". He did not say the CLUB!

To think that the golfer 'manipulates' the Hands during the Stoke is one of the Great Misconceptions of TGM. (There are many.) O.B.'s post assumes you know this, but long experience tells me you do not.

ALL 'Hand Manipulation' -- Hands to Handle/Clubface -- occurs when the Grip is taken in Fix (7-8; 8-2; 2-J-1) with the BALL in the desired location (Up Plane [back in Stance] or Down Plane [forward] for the Stoke intended. It does not take place dynamically during the Stroke.

Pre-empting the next question, Hinge Actions -- there are three, each the direct responsibility of the Hands -- are not 'Manipulations'. Instead, they are 10th Component Variations that maintain their respective identities despite any Left Wrist-to-Clubface alterations assumed at Fix.

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