I believe you have that wrong about the basic plane. Zach's swinging on an Elbow basic plane not a turned shoulder basic plane. Trust me, the downstroke is the same as Tomasello's arm action, just watch Tommy's Chapter Series video on Swinging and Hitting. I believe it's last chapter series video. Now Tommy is swinging on s turned shoulder plane with a Straight Line delivery path. Zach's swinging on an Angled delivery path.
DG
I put a straight edge through the right elbow and the ball, and lo and behold, the sweet spot traveled right down that line! You are right DG.
Just what arm muscles is he firing at the Top? His right shoulder and hands start moving simultaneously from the Top, and the right elbow retains it's bend, so it isn't the right triceps.
Forearm muscles!!! See 6-B-2-0, Homer got it right. Also see 1-F, the Right Forearm is always driving!!!
Forearm muscles!!! See 6-B-2-0, Homer got it right. Also see 1-F, the Right Forearm is always driving!!!
DG
The Right Forearm is being driven by the Pivot in Swinging and by the right triceps in Hitting. The Right Forearm can make a slapping motion with its muscles using the right elbow as the pivot point, but doing this from the Top would only throw away the left wrist cock, which ZJ is clearly not doing.
The Right Forearm is being driven by the Pivot in Swinging and by the right triceps in Hitting. The Right Forearm can make a slapping motion with its muscles using the right elbow as the pivot point, but doing this from the Top would only throw away the left wrist cock, which ZJ is clearly not doing.
The triceps straighten the elbow for both swinging and hitting, the forearms are used to TRIGGER that action.
The triceps straighten the elbow for both swinging and hitting, the forearms are used to TRIGGER that action.
DG
You surely know better DG. The right elbow is thrown straight by the flywheel in Swinging.
Why do you think component 4 for Swinging in 12-0 is Triple Barrel 4/2/3?
Actuation of #2 is not normally done at Top but we've talked about that before I think. The intention to actuate , "Delivery Line uncocking prep" , is formed at Top per 12-3 Section 6 #21. Intentions and actual actuation , firing , triggering being separated by time given any Delay to Release of #2. Leaving the , in the ideal , the Right Shoulder to bring the Power Package Down Plane in Startdown , "the period of Shoulder Acceleration" . 8-7- Section 7.
Thanks for sharing all the great TT material. Here's a small token of my appreciation in reference to "responsive movements"
From "The Golf Swing, The Ernest Jones Method" by Daryn Hammond 1920.
Quote:
Chapter X. Recapitulatory
General
The Responsive Movements
It is one of the misfortunes of golf that the correct playing of the shot should make a pretty picture; the observer - and the player as well - is apt to become too much interested in the pretty picture, that is, in effect, and too little interested in the causes of which that effect is merely an expression. In no other game does the statuesque position occur so regularly. In golf it appears at the finish of almost every properly played shot, from the shortest of short approaches to the longest of long drives. The club, the hands and arms, the shoulders, the legs and feet, are all seen in a more or less stereotyped relationship, all in repose, the repose that is the logical result of well-directed effort, the repose that invites the camera or even the sculptor's chisel. There is nothing comparable with this characteristic in, for example, baseball, football, cricket, tennis, or billiards. In those games the vitally interesting thing is the action by which the result is achieved, not the appearance of the performer when the action is being, or has been, made. And this fact doubtless explains to some extent why in golf the action of the average player looks, and indeed is, so much less spontaneous than in other games.
The footballer kicking a football does not know, or think, or care, where his right knee or his left hip will be at any given moment in the operation of kicking. His mind sends a direction to his feet, and his feet obey if he is a good footballer, or disobey if he is a bad footballer. The billiard player is not at all concerned with the position in which he will be found at the finish of his stroke. He is not at any moment in the game an inspiring subject for the photographer, much less for the sculptor. He consequently gets on with the work. The mind directs the fingers and the fingers direct the cue. The elbows, arms, shoulders, body and legs also move; they move, however, not on their own account, but in response to the impetus in the cue set up by the action of the fingers. The person performing Indian club exercises never thinks for one moment about the position of his elbows or his knees. What he does think about all the time is the movement of the club, and the action of the hands and fingers by means of which that movement is produced. He is pre-eminently a creature of action, not a hero of repose, and he is not in the least degree interested in what his appearance may be at the end of any movement or sequence of movements that he may make.
The footballer's mind is directed to the one point of contact - toe and ball; the Indian club performer's mind is directed to the one point of contact - fingers and club; the billiard player's mind is directed to the two points of contact, cue and ball, fingers and cue. And so the golfer's mind should be directed to the two points of contact, club and ball, hands and club.
The golfer's object is to gain command of a golf club just in the same way as the Indian club performer's object is to gain command of an Indian club. True, it is not necessary for the golfer when making his shot to twist his club about as though it were an Indian club. At the same time, the golfer should be able to twist it about in that manner. He should be able to swing the club about in his hands and fingers, freely and fluently in any direction. The pianist learns all sorts of exercises that never come actually into the performance of any piece of pianoforte music. He does so in order to gain command of his fingers. And in the same way, the golfer will do well to make any and every movement with his club that will increase his skill in manipulating it, increase his sense of intimacy with it, his feeling of power over it. When he is swinging the club about in this casual manner, whether with right hand or left hand, or with both hands, he will observe - if it occurs to him to do so - that though he thinks only of communicating movement to the club by means of his hands and fingers, the forearms, the elbow joints, the shoulders, and probably the legs and feet, are also in action - responsive action; responsive in the sense that they move without any specific direction from the mind, but on the impulse created by the action of the hands and fingers in the club. If an attempt were made to swing the club about by using the hands and fingers to the exclusion of the action of other members of the body, that is to say, without the naturally responsive movements, the result would not only be stilted and powerless; it would produce an appreciable strain on the muscles involved.
This is exactly the stilted and powerless movement or series of movements that is known as mistiming the shot. Of the various parts of the body that should act in harmony, some parts act either out of harmony, or not at all. It is good to start the club-head by hand and finger action, but it is useless to do this unless forearms and upper arms and shoulders and hips and legs and feet and head are allowed to follow. Everything must "give" when the call comes - except the grip of the thumb and forefinger of each hand; for with an adequate grip there, control or the club can always be preserved without retarding any responsive movement whatsoever. The responsive movements are just as vital to the proper execution of the shot as the initiatory movements.
You surely know better DG. The right elbow is thrown straight by the flywheel in Swinging.
Why do you think component 4 for Swinging in 12-0 is Triple Barrel 4/2/3?
Ya dg the forearms do not actuate the club in swinging I don't in Naw where u came up with that but ahhh wrong
6-B-2-0 THE SECOND POWER ACCUMULATOR When the Left Wrist is Cocked (in excess of the selected Clubshaft-Left Hand Angle (6-B-3) in the Address Fix positions) it forms the Second Power Accumulator. It’s the true Velocity Accumulator because of the shortness of its travel time (during a Maximum Delay Release). Centrifugal Force, Accumulator #1, the muscles of both forearms, any – or all – are available to actuate this Assembly. Its “in-line” condition is FULL EXTENSION as determined by the Accumulator #3 requirements – if any. It is the “Downward” (Angle of Attack) Motion per 2-C-0 and 2-N-1.
Actuation is the triggering of #2 IMO, like a tipping point if you will for the Swinger. Non Auto Release Trigger. You'll notice Homer doesn't list wrist muscles ,active hand unbending etc . A Left Wrist Throw is not done by the wrists.
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